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If you come up with any data that EV's are more dangerous than ICE's please post it. I am not defending EV's just waiting on some proof.
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Takata air bags only killed 24 people and hurt 300, but it required a worldwide recall of 67 million air bags. Was it not prevalent by your standards? Quote:
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To participate whataboutisim - Gas vs battery- may bring into question individual criterion, but it doesn't change the data or facts people use to make their decisions. Fact is Li-ion batteries present a risk not found in ICE's, and it's not insignificant. In the case of the I-pace, 1 in 800 have already burned, and it's still a young model. Wait for these to age a few more years. 100% of them are still under warranty. what happens when those start to expire? So when asked the question of this topic "Still want an EV?" That answer has a lot of reasons why people say "no". And here we are discussing these reasons. * had to add the Jaguar to the tally, it was not in the article mentioning 5 that I shared earlier. The total list is : General Motors, Mercedes-Benz, Hyundai, Stellantis, Volkswagen, and Jaguar. Last edited by chad86tsi; 07-26-2023 at 01:03 PM.. |
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Maybe I am an idiot and that EVs are just a big battery pack with a sheet metal laid on top of it, they still have an electric motor and a bunch of electronics to control them
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It's easy to think ''it will never happen to me'' when you buy or lease a new or used EV, the point I'm making is it may happen and if it ever did while driving you better be prepared to get out fast. |
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Rest of it is a lot of guesses on what might happen. Interesting thoughts, we'll see.
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I might get hit by lightning, bitten by a shark, die in a car accident, house fire or in an ICE fire. If I am in a fire I plan to get out fast, regardless of ICE, EV, or house.
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Good point on the gas station. Imagine what would happen today if someone came out with a nozzle pumping a liquid at 13 gallons a minute where just the fumes can explode and expected almost every person in the U.S. to do it correctly, not pull the nozzle out while continuing to hold the lever down, not smoking, paying attention. Good thing the internet wasn't around when all this happened as it is easy to see videos of gas station fires, accidents and people driving off with the nozzle still in the car. Best I can tell from the videos is there is crisis happening.
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I would expect to see gas tank recalls if they were spontaneously starting fires in people's homes and driveways, on the side of the road, or on transport ships and parking garages. That gas tanks are not having this problem stands in contrast to the EV fuel storage medium : Li-ion batteries. Quote:
EV poses a risk not found in an ICE platform. It can be scientifically explained and quantified, reproduced, measured (as in it really happens to innocent people), and there is no clear path to mitigation or prevention beyond "hope it doesn't happen to you", or "don't charge it and you will be fine". It is a risk that some are not comfortable with: spontaneous fire. Not only can it start itself on fire, but it can't be put out with conventional methods like conventional hydrocarbon fuel fires. It doesn't even need oxygen to burn once started. |
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With EV it'll come out of nowhere (as I have said before) and carrying one of these special glass break pointed hammers to keep in the car is a good idea. If an EV catches fire while driving the door release could fail or the side windows may not go down, it's happened. |
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While you seam very concerned about the EV, if you come up with any data that EV's are more dangerous than ICE's please post it. I am not defending EV's just waiting on some proof.
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Here's mine - If you come up with any data that EV's are more dangerous than ICE's please post it. I am not defending EV's just waiting on some proof. No need to keep on posting that gas tanks don't explode on their own and the risk from an EV is different than an ICE, we all get it.
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A cargo ship caught fire off the coast of the Netherlands in the North Sea, killing at least one person and injuring several ! Ship was carrying 3000 cars ...
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Not picking on you but do you have any proof of a small EV fire? This is why EV fires get so much attention. When LiPo's catch fire it's a big burn down.
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EV's start themselves on fire in ways above and beyond the ways that ICEs start themselves on fire. I've already provided links and sources proof that this happens, not just that it "could" happen, as have others. In summary, they have more threat vectors of this spontaneous combustion phenomena than ICE. All cars have electrical systems, EV's have the additional risk of unpredictable fuel storage systems.
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It was heading for Egypt, probably Port Said and it didn't get very far until the disaster struck..just one car erupting in flames out of nowhere destroying probably all the cars on it with the ship.
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If you come up with any data that EV's are more dangerous than ICE's please post it. I am not defending EV's just waiting on some proof. You have proof that EV's are more dangerous than ICE's?
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