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That MAX is the double 2021/2022 World Champion and Red Bull takes the 2022 Constructors World Title . HAM won't win a race in this season and will disappear again like last winter . MAX and Red Bull took Mercedes completely down ! And in 2023 they will do it again . As I said , this is only the beginning .. Period !
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I see the kids are out talking about cars and crashes again and $1.8m is the reason..
Only in part, there is allocation in the regs for costs of parts to included especially around sprint races where costs can be included and the teams don’t get a big hit. It’s more an issue for junior teams. But it could be why some teams are only upgrading one car at a time for example, RBR have done that to Maxs cars for example. But it’s something all teams have to account for and worse case they might have to go back to old parts for example. This is why you see very few in season radical upgrades to parts. Last edited by MontyB1; 10-17-2022 at 03:03 PM.. |
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Here are a few bits from the reg that might help a few on who has the responsibility to comply.
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Give it a read, it might enlighten a few as to what is actually in and out and how complex it is. Its very similar to docs I and I'm sure others deal with in other industries. Sometimes you don't want to ask the question to clarify something but in this case, well if you don' then...... well we know the rest. |
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So I could easily see a position where the team want the auditors to do something with the numbers they aren't comfortable with (this isn't abnormal). And to make matters worse for the team and the teams auditor the FIA reserve the right to then effectively run a full audit of them themselves using a separate auditor normally Deloitte. Only one team hasn't managed to get approval of accounts or agree an ABA... Last edited by MontyB1; 10-17-2022 at 05:26 PM.. |
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For folks saying that the Silverstone crash was the differentiator to the red bull forget that redbull continued to bring regular updates to the car, even well after that incident. If nothing else, this shows that they made no meaningful attempt to adjust their spending as a result of the incident, which negates that argument altogether.
Every team/operation has reviews and makes adjustments to unplanned events as they occur. The only way the argument that the Silverstone crash being the reason for the overspend matters is if that crash occurred after all the upgrades were made and brought to the car. Plenty of evidence to the contrary, however. |
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So another angle it’s not just Christian, Marko, Newey or even Pierre’s it could all of them as the FIA think three of those costs should be included but RBR have tried to manipulate another way maybe!
He thinks the punishment, reduced wind tunnel time and cost cap reduction for 2/3 years potentially. On and the amount of the breach seems to be at least $2m, he tends to be in the know… Peter Windsors view of who is causing the issue and expected punishment. |
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If it is a salary issue you can imagine the conversation.
FIA - So who are you saying are the top three paid? RBR - Christian, Pierre and Joe the chief mechanic. FIA - No Marko, Adrian RBR - Who? FIA - You know those top people that are on the pit wall and in the garage that designed the car and run the team. We see Marko all the time and Adrian designed it didn't he. RBR - Erm, well they are there but they are doing it for the goodness of their health, yeah that's it. FIA - OK then erm, we need to have a little chat we will get back to you. RBR - Oh we all good we are under the cap then? FIA - FFS.... |
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It means you can literally fire your top earners, and hire them as a outside contractor, thus circumventing it, and that would be legal.
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What do you mean mate ?
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And it's not even an innovative type of cheating like blown diffusers....
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The silence from the FIA says a lot.
I don't think anything will come of this. And next year people will cheat (more)
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