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04-01-2021, 07:26 AM | #23 | |
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So I just want to reiterate, I'm not saying cars like S2000's don't have souls, far from it. I'd just like it better with another engine
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Agree, would not buy the four here either. Would add the character that remains in the 4 is because the flat 4 is used by only them and Subaru. Almost everyone makes an inline 4 and they sound and feel too alike, fine when you aren't paying a big premium as an enthusiast. Porsche realized that I am not alone and decided to come out with the GTS (NA flat 6) and kept the GT4.
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For the M240 comment, at least they know it's a 6 and as expected you as the enthusiast are bothered they know it's a 6 but have the wrong 6. Imagine your new AMG and they ask you about the V8, you point out the turbo I4 hybrid is similar to their turbo I4 hybrid Accord.
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Right now, the big question for the next M3/M4 is, will the next 3 Series and 4 Series use CLAR, or will they switch to the Neue Klasse architecture that BMW just announced. If the latter then the setup may be very close to what you describe - only the front wheels connected to the ICE. However, since the next 3 Series would begin very soon (if it hasn't already) for its 2025 SOP, it's not clear whether the timing will enable it to use the brand new platform or not. |
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04-01-2021, 08:35 AM | #26 | |
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Favorable commentary is based on future powertrain options in class, not historical. What are our options? Character is probably gone for good. Checked out with the E9X imo. In its absence, I'll take new and intriguing. As things are shaping up, it's going to be pick your flavor of turbo 6's or, if AMG do this right, perceptible, in your face F1 tech. It won't be my favorite motorsport to daily driver link of all time, but it will be authentic motorsport. Think all of the turbo 6's might look pretty crude by comparison, but we'll see.
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If you're an enthusiast, motorsport fan, you'll have the S58 over 7x WCC F1 tech? AMG have dominated the highest form of motorsport in the world for 7+ years. BMW M is nowhere right now. Torturing their biggest GT into a race car.
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No I would not buy a 4 cylinder turbo hybrid AMG because of its' link to their F1 team as I think it is distant. I would drive both vehicles and judge the engines and the rest of the vehicle that I am buying on their own merits. While an F1 fan I find it difficult to figure a reason to buy from the manufacturer that participates just because they participate as it seems so far away from what they are trying to sell me. While I am sorry to see Honda leave I expect zero differences in the engines they sell to consumers and I still want a Ferrari over a Honda even with Honda seeming to have a far better F1 engine.
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If the F1 link is all marketing and no substance, then all of this goes out the window. But that would be foolish. Doesn't look like that's how they're trending based upon what they've shown us so far.
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Over the last 10 years they have been the best at F1 so I give them high marks on recent motorsport history, pretty high on enthusiast marks but see little bearing on what this means for me as the buyer going forward.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. Europe has become extremely strict with regards to the environment and I'm pretty sure they see the V8 engine as something not compatible with said environment.
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Both BMW and Mercedes have both FWD/AWD and RWD/AWD architectures. The new C Class and the current generation CLS are built on the latter type. These new PHEV AMG variants of those models will be rear biased just like their non-PHEV siblings and just like any other AWD Mercedes built on their rear-drive MRA platform. Quote:
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By far the most interesting part of the announcement from my perspective is that the I6 continues to be left out of the AMG party. |
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People seem to be focusing too much on the M139 powertrain as its the most controversial. The M177 setup is far more exciting and should be making its way through the lineup in cars like the GT 4-Door as AMG readies their new 73e variants, as well as the W223 S-Class, upcoming SL, next-generation E-Class and GLE, and most likely the GT sports car, although will likely be a little different due to the front-mid engine setup. The electric turbocharger is also an awesome addition to AMG cars as it works seamlessly providing a very NA like feel and characteristics to how the engine builds power and has instantaneous response. Regardless of cylinder count, the amount of F1-inspired technology here is pretty impressive.
The EV platform is also interesting as its the first of the German trio's high-performance divisions to unveil their work and details regarding EV's, as M and RS have not given us much information yet (RS E-Tron GT is not really an RS but more so a Porsche). |
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i think i'd rather go full EV than have a 4 cylinder hybrid but...
i am impressed with the c63 though. it feels like its a generation ahead of the G80 like the RBR video showed. more advanced powertrain. full EV mode to leave the house in peace. I also like how they have the engine at the front, and battery at the rear. more rearward weight bias will definitely improve handling. And lets not forget MB routinely outclasses BMW in interior quality. Only knock on the c63 will be the weight. its going to be at least a few hundred pounds more than the already portly G80. And i'm not sure i'd want to own a system this advanced and new out of warranty.
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There will be so many of these sitting on lots with like 30,000 to 40,000 miles on them, because so few will want to take the plunge on having one without a warranty. And when you get the extended warranties or the aftermarket warranties, it simply drives up the running costs of the car each year. So, as is the case for all AMGs, the used car prices will be astonishingly low, especially for any of these with above 50,000 miles. And it may take years after they're released before we see any brave owners taking them past 100,000 miles. |
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