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The best days of BMW - when were they?
I'm going to be honest, I can't tell you how happy I am to have grown up in the days of the e36. I got to experience what a raw BMW felt like. Oh, and they had the classic Hoffmeister kink. Something that people will soon forget as BMW seems to be phasing it out of their designs all together.
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https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/bmw/3-series/15459 E36 is pretty much a moving casket, very unreliable, very bad in terms of build quality and materials, very unstable and doesn’t have 50-50 weight distribution that started with E46. So unless you have nostalgic feelings, E36 is a tractor compared to G20. And E39 M5 is less aggressive and slower than my 540i and floatier and softer than a 530i without an M sport package. If millennial sees all the nonsensical praise for old cars here then goes ahead and drives one, he would be severely disappointed.(Maybe except E46)
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Objectively better, sure. For all the things you mentioned. Subjectively though, I'm not so sure. Especially M models had just the right balance of luxury and sport. We're to a point now, IMHO that have tipped more for luxury than sport. What do I base that one? They're bigger, heavier, more expensive than ever before. The E9X generation was when the scales began to tip in the wrong direction. The F8X generation tipped it back a bit in some areas and further buried the needle in the other direction. The G8X continues to bury that needle. Bigger, heavier, more tech. I have no doubt though the G8X will beat the F8X in performance metrics. Just like every generation did to the previous. Faster around the 'Ring isn't the end all, be all metric to what makes a BMW a BMW. From the way the G8X looks, too many sacrifices were made whether that be made in the name of performance, being "bold", or just trying to be different that they managed to kill what made an M car in the first place. An M car, especially the M3, was never about being the loudest looking car on the road. It looked like almost every other 2-door or sedan with some minor aesthetic changes so that those who knew understood they weren't just looking at another grocery getter. Quote:
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But absolutely nobody would argue the F/G chassis cars are more driver-focused than their predecessors. You can't replace the classic BMW formula of Inline 6, tight communicative steering, RWD bias architecture, and manual option. BMW makes some of the best vehicles in its respective segments, but their distinguishing character is all but gone. Drive them side-by-side with comparable Audis and Mercs and there's little difference.
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I would also add that electronics of modern cars have actually hampered long term reliability as well and are likely more difficult to work on and expensive to repair. New Honda's and Toyota's aren't likely to last as long as the older models.
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BMW's manual's have always felt very rubbery to me but I've just chalked it up as what makes a BMW a BMW. Also, anyone who says the F/G chassis cars are more driver focused is most likely a Zoomer with no experience driving older BMW models. |
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Right now if you are driving a 2020 M5.
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That may be it but those same electronics have made powertrains infinitely more reliable. Go figure?
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The best days are never in the present, future, or recent past it seems. Something about E30 M3 blah blah blah
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Still remember the criticism of the N52 around these parts...
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Nowadays we have to slap insane grilles on the car for differentiation. But in the early 2000s a BMW M car was the sport sedan to get.
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Honestly, when BMW stopped the bespoke engine for the M cars with the F8x,I died on the inside. The heart of the beast was now based on a regular series car with reinforced internals and a couple minor tweaks here and there. I will never forget my e92 and the satisfaction of 8,200 RPM or the metallic scream of the e46 M3's six cylinder,
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Last year BMW allowed the press to tinker around with this G30 BEV prototype which is far more powerful/Fast as than F90 M5. 710HP and 884 pounds feet of torque... https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/06/28/d...e-next-bmw-m5/
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