Tesla - no thanks!

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

As you expected? We never mentioned the track so yes of course it was about straight line captain obvious.

Sir please do take the time and show me where EV dominates in any unlimited drag race vs ICE? From top fuel drag racing to the draggy boards, ALL of the top spots are dominated by ICE with no EV's to be found.

Sure you can cherry pick the 8-9 second range but where are the 4, 5 & 6 second 1/4 mile EV's? Home built 6 & 7second ICE cars are common in drag racing now that will destroy the Rimac at a fraction of the price.

Will 6 second EV'seventually happen? Absolutely, just a matter of time. Just as adding an electric motor to the drive shaft and a mini battery pack to the 6 second ICE now takes it to 5 or lower.

Hybrid is the future for drag racing my friend, EV only will never dominate that is the fact.

Expected was a little too strong, i should have said “suspected”. I didnt know if by faster you meant track or strip. You meant strip obviously now.




Good luck trying to hold onto that in the near future…

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Try to race a plaid then.

I could duplicate his car and mods for under $10K. A plaid is 140K+

Perhaps I could buy a model 3 long range and modify it (buy the one speed upgrade available), and that might allow me to do a thorough tail light inspection. That would still cost 4-5 times as much though.

I could also tow a boat and a load of passengers up a hill in it, or drive cross country at a drop of a hat with 5 minute fill ups the whole way.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by RM7

Yep, the Teslas at autoX go all day, usually 8 runs or more. But you said faster than an M3P…which i severly doubt on a track.

Wait let me buy an old ass car to modify so I can go out and beat teslas only from 100+mph because I wanna show ev is not the future!!!!

But I can’t do shit to a plaid because it’s too damn fast.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

I could duplicate his car and mods for under $10K. A plaid is 140K+

Perhaps I could buy a model 3 long range and modify it (buy the one speed upgrade available), and that might allow me to do a thorough tail light inspection. That would still cost 4-5 times as much though.

I could also tow a boat and a load of passengers up a hill in it, or drive cross country at a drop of a hat with 5 minute fill ups the whole way.

I could do the same.

You’re still playing with thumbs trying to figure out how to beat a stock 4 door ev missile.

Times are changing. This is the future.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I could do the same.

You’re still playing with thumbs trying to figure out how to beat a stock 4 door ev missile.

Times are changing. This is the future.

No, I already beat it. I'm playing with thumbs to figure out how you came to the idea you have the fastest non-stock commuter.

I guess when I think about it, I used to win every race I ever had when I commuted in my 1997 Ford Econoline 1 ton service van. Never mind the person next to me didn't know it was a race. I guess that van was pretty fast then, because I went undefeated. It was especially satisfying to look at those confused faces in my rear view mirror of school bus drivers in school zones. Some of them even seemed angry, angry at my superior speed. They just couldn't keep up.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Yeah man, it was a joke... alluded to BGM racing (and annihilating) his fellow morning commuters. I think it flew over your head

oh lol, my apologies then.

[Rono63]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I could do the same.

You're still playing with thumbs trying to figure out how to beat a stock 4 door ev missile.

Times are changing. This is the future.

If that's the case then why are you ordering a C8z?

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Wait let me buy an old ass car to modify so I can go out and beat teslas only from 100+mph because I wanna show ev is not the future!!!!

But I can’t do shit to a plaid because it’s too damn fast.

Ev's ARE the future...for drone bots going to work. Nobody is arguing that.

LOL Plaid fast? Maybe to you, but to anyone serious into drag racing, its fucking slow when compared to what is capable with ICE. Hell even the Rimac places 247th on the draggy boards and it blows a Plaid out of the water. You EV zealots have a way to go and when you get there, we will just take one of your motors and toss it in with our ICE engines and beat you all over again. Hybrid is the future my friend for racing, EV only for drone drive to work.

If you REALLY want to kill ICE, you need to make EV's FUN. Good luck with that.

(And yes that is a 1993 Nissan Pulsar that someone made faster then a Rimac) LOL

[BGM-M3COMP]

Right a Rimac, a 2 million dollar ev.

The Chiron of the ICE world. Let’s race a stock m340i against a Chiron!!!

Or wait a puslar you said? A gutted pos, out of warranty, fully built, will blow up after 2 passes, no power steering and no ac, no interior and did I say it looks like shit? That beat a plaid and a Rimac?

Well shit then I commend that owner for even having the right state of mind to even brag about having that to beat STOCK ev missiles.

It’s ok, the time will come soon. Until then these arguments of finding random modified ice cars that could beat or barely beat a stock ev is pretty entertaining to watch.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

But you’re doing all that to an old ass dinosaur. A car with no warranty, about to blow up given the miles just to prove a point you have a better top end than a commuter model 3?

Try to race a plaid then. That’s the real performance Tesla and watch elons work disappear from your sight instantly.

Not really envious when your time is almost up.

Again it’s good to be a cheerleader from the sidelines in present time because that’s all you have. Present time.

ICE worst enemy is time and ev’s best friend is that time.

Let’s revisit these discussion in one year increments. That will be fun for sure lol

Tick tock tick tock lmao

Time is running out! Haha

Hmm I dunno, its been modded for 84k miles now and still going. But when it does finally go, it will cost me 5k to rebuild and get another 200k miles out of it. How much does it cost to get 400k miles and 20 years out of a model 3 again? How does that battery pack hold up past 10 years?

Sure, 30k in mods and I will beat a plaid so approx. 50k total with cost of the X5. Will take the 100k I saved and depending on how I feel either invest wisely or go crazy in Vegas for weekend with finest Columbian Snow and ladies of the night....maybe both

Incorrect my friend, time is EV's worst enemy. As the numbers of EV increase, so do the catastrophic accidents. 8+ hour backups while trying to contain EV fires, idiots with 1000hp trucks plowing through cars and people, entire buildings & ships burning due to EV's will enact draconian rules and overnight your EV will be downgraded in performance. Enjoy it while it lasts. BTW electric cost increase will be 4-6 fold by 2030 so enjoy cheap electric while it lasts too.

The future my friend is you driving XXXXX EV to work each day bored out of your mind while cruising the internets trying to find a deal on a pre 2030 ICE car you can mod and have fun with on the weekends.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Until then these arguments of finding random modified ice cars that could beat or barely beat a stock ev is pretty entertaining to watch.

only half as entertaining to listen to a guy that had to modify his EV to keep up in his commute.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Right a Rimac, a 2 million dollar ev.

The Chiron of the ICE world. Let’s race a stock m340i against a Chiron!!!

Or wait a puslar you said? A gutted pos, out of warranty, fully built, will blow up after 2 passes, no power steering and no ac, no interior and did I say it looks like shit? That beat a plaid and a Rimac?

Well shit then I commend that owner for even having the right state of mind to even brag about having that to beat STOCK ev missiles.

It’s ok, the time will come soon. Until then these arguments of finding random modified ice cars that could beat or barely beat a stock ev is pretty entertaining to watch.

Whats entertaining is watching your cognitive dissonance and true Olympic level mental gymnastics convincing yourself EV is superiors to ICE for performance. There are countless cars (heck I just posted a full interior R8 running 7's and 190+MPH traps that would DESTROY your plaid)

EV is SLOW my friend. If you think a mid 8 second car is the fastest thing out there, you need to get out more. Let that SINK in, number 247th on the draggy board. I didn't even bother with the Plaid, it took to long to scroll down to the bottom where they are LOL!

EV's are not in the top 10, 100, or even 200!

[BGM-M3COMP]

The plaid ran the same or better time than an m5cs, a car that went through decades of evolution just to beat a car that took 9 years to evolve into the ev monster it is.

Ev beats ice when it comes to straight line performance period. It’s already beating ice in real world driving when you consider all factors. :cough cough Tesla::

It’s amusing how you think this is siding with you when again, let’s look at the car makers each year and see what they’re doing. Let’s start looking at Ferrari and lambo etc. they’re all going ev.

Let’s revisit this thread next year this time. Then again one year after that.

This discussion isn’t a race it’s a rally.

Ev will win this rally that’s for sure lmaoo

[CarsAndGuitars]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

The plaid ran the same or better time than an m5cs, a car that went through decades of evolution just to beat a car that took 9 years to evolve into the ev monster it is.

Ev beats ice when it comes to straight line performance period. It’s already beating ice in real world driving when you consider all factors. :cough cough Tesla::

It’s amusing how you think this is siding with you when again, let’s look at the car makers each year and see what they’re doing. Let’s start looking at Ferrari and lambo etc. they’re all going ev.

Let’s revisit this thread next year this time. Then again one year after that.

This discussion isn’t a race it’s a rally.

Ev will win this rally that’s for sure lmaoo

Fan motors are not new tech. They've been around as long as electricity has been harnessed, 150 years?

Yes, lets consider all factors: A 500 mile race through the Rocky mountains in February while towing a small U haul trailer. Ready, set..

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

The plaid ran the same or better time than an m5cs, a car that went through decades of evolution just to beat a car that took 9 years to evolve into the ev monster it is.

Ev beats ice when it comes to straight line performance period. It’s already beating ice in real world driving when you consider all factors. :cough cough Tesla::

It’s amusing how you think this is siding with you when again, let’s look at the car makers each year and see what they’re doing. Let’s start looking at Ferrari and lambo etc. they’re all going ev.

Let’s revisit this thread next year this time. Then again one year after that.

This discussion isn’t a race it’s a rally.

Ev will win this rally that’s for sure lmaoo

That is just a straight up LIE. EV does not even come close to ICE in staight line performance racing. I just posted the receipts, fastest EV costs 2.5 million and places 247th!!! Stop lying to yourself my friend, its honestly getting sad at this point.

They are going hybrid NOT EV. Even Rimac next car is Hybrid. EV is boring, even 8 second EV will make you fall asleep.

Yes lets come back year after year. I will especially be here when the geo fencing comes in to rub it in your face.

[BGM-M3COMP]

So the rimac is faster than the plaid right?

The plaid runs 9.2.

What ICE cars run around that time and then state the price.

EV is here, it took only 9 YEARS for tesla to take their intro car, and turned it into one of the fastest production car EVER (it was THE fastest last year). Then of course lucid air which costs double, then your rimac which would be bought by NBA players or jeff bezos.

Again judging today's results is like claiming victory and calling a sports team the best team of the season after 10 games lol.

The EV prize is that championship game. And the winner will be EV.

I don't mind entertaining and killing these arguments in the meantime. But my time will shine when you see how right i am, as we visit this discussion in 1 year increments. I would say 2, just how i killed that other argument with someone else in a different section of this forum. He was proven wrong after 4 months and i gave him 2 years lol.

Let's see how long your argument lasts. I'll do 1 year to be kind. But i may entertain this again next summer

Man i can't wait!

[RM7]

Look at how far EVs have dug into the Pikes Peak field. Change is coming.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by RM7

Look at how far EVs have dug into the Pikes Peak field. Change is coming.

Yes, EV's are finally catching up. They are also hitting the wall of physics.

Look how fast ICE's have improved. They too are hitting the wall of physics, but are a little more adaptable to this fact.

Your prior discussion about tracking a model 3 had me curious, so I looked up some videos. This one is interesting :

The battery starts to overheat well before the run is over and started to cut power, the brakes overheated early in, and it consumed 40% of the charge in one lap. It also was getting passed by several "lesser" ICE's, even though it had some modifications to make it more track worthy.

Some weeks ago I posted a link to an Electric GT (EV road car) race series, it was disbanded because EV's were so poorly suited to the task, the short laps made for boring racing.

https://www.theverge.com/22751453/el...s-ev-ambitions

[G80indy]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

Yes, EV's are finally catching up. They are also hitting the wall of physics.

Look how fast ICE's have improved. They too are hitting the wall of physics, but are a little more adaptable to this fact.

Your prior discussion about tracking a model 3 had me curious, so I looked up some videos. This one is interesting :

The battery starts to overheat well before the run is over and started to cut power, the brakes overheated early in, and it consumed 40% of the charge in one lap. It also was getting passed by several "lesser" ICE's, even though it had some modifications to make it more track worthy.

Some weeks ago I posted a link to an Electric GT (EV road car) race series, it was disbanded because EV's were so poorly suited to the task, the short laps made for boring racing.

https://www.theverge.com/22751453/el...s-ev-ambitions

Hey look at that !! Full circle to a Tesla catching on fire from its battery - maybe
LOL

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

So the rimac is faster than the plaid right?

The plaid runs 9.2.

What ICE cars run around that time and then state the price.

EV is here, it took only 9 YEARS for tesla to take their intro car, and turned it into one of the fastest production car EVER (it was THE fastest last year). Then of course lucid air which costs double, then your rimac which would be bought by NBA players or jeff bezos.

Again judging today's results is like claiming victory and calling a sports team the best team of the season after 10 games lol.

The EV prize is that championship game. And the winner will be EV.

I don't mind entertaining and killing these arguments in the meantime. But my time will shine when you see how right i am, as we visit this discussion in 1 year increments. I would say 2, just how i killed that other argument with someone else in a different section of this forum. He was proven wrong after 4 months and i gave him 2 years lol.

Let's see how long your argument lasts. I'll do 1 year to be kind. But i may entertain this again next summer

Man i can't wait!

Lol your killing nothing, you suffer from NPD my friend, your like a mini Kanye West.

You have and will always lose this argument as your foundation is flawed and you don't understand the world you speak of. When it comes to straight line performance, the future will be hybrid. Even if solid state batteries come out tomorrow, we are just going to take them and add them to our existing ICE powered cars with motors inserted into the drivetrain. In fact entire aftermarket kits are already coming for this. The torque converter is perfect to replace with a motor as well as a driveshaft intercept.

Yes let's revisit this thread every year. Think EV's might be able to get into the top 200 fastest car list in a few years? Not holding my breath though.

Your future is rolling up next to a sweet 60's muscle car hybrid, then hearing it's fire breathing engine spark up as the fear sinks in your stomach knowing he is faster then you as he already knows EXACTLY how fast you are since you can't mod your car.

Hey you didn't answer my question, what city do you live in? I need your help checking my tail lights to make sure they stay lit through the 1/4mile. My car is old and has a ton of miles on it and I need your help and your slow ass model 3 you think is God's gift to the automotive wold will give you the perfect view point.

I'll do you a solid and cover up my physical buttons and contoured leather dash since you just have a plank of wood and eBay tablet for dash, I don't want to hurt your feelings.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Originally Posted by RM7

Look at how far EVs have dug into the Pikes Peak field. Change is coming.

Pretty disappointing considering there is zero performance impact on EV vs elevation which is the entire freaking point of pikes peak. Don't understand why anyone would brag about this.

Hey how are those 15,000 horsepower 2300lb EV dragsters coming along? Waiting for those bad boys to show up and decimate the top fuel crowd.

Your right change is coming....to our electric bills. Really looking forward to paying a dollar per kw/h.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Sophisticated Redneck

Lol your killing nothing, you suffer from NPD my friend, your like a mini Kanye West.

You have and will always lose this argument as your foundation is flawed and you don't understand the world you speak of. When it comes to straight line performance, the future will be hybrid. Even if solid state batteries come out tomorrow, we are just going to take them and add them to our existing ICE powered cars with motors inserted into the drivetrain. In fact entire aftermarket kits are already coming for this. The torque converter is perfect to replace with a motor as well as a driveshaft intercept.

Yes let's revisit this thread every year. Think EV's might be able to get into the top 200 fastest car list in a few years? Not holding my breath though.

Your future is rolling up next to a sweet 60's muscle car hybrid, then hearing it's fire breathing engine spark up as the fear sinks in your stomach knowing he is faster then you as he already knows EXACTLY how fast you are since you can't mod your car.

Hey you didn't answer my question, what city do you live in? I need your help checking my tail lights to make sure they stay lit through the 1/4mile. My car is old and has a ton of miles on it and I need your help and your slow ass model 3 you think is God's gift to the automotive wold will give you the perfect view point.

I'll do you a solid and cover up my physical buttons and contoured leather dash since you just have a plank of wood and eBay tablet for dash, I don't want to hurt your feelings.

It's hard to debate with someone who can't even use the word, "YOU'RE" correctly. It's you're not your. Idk, it's one of my pet peeves.

Thing is, you actually don't have an argument here. You're running around circles off scenarios and your own thoughts that have nothing to do with what i'm saying. You're typing so much to distract others who are reading into thinking you have something here. And even if you did, everyone else posting is anti-ev so it doesn't even matter if you are right or wrong, they'll all say, "yes sir!!" to you at anything you say.

I'll keep it simple. A simple one shot deal to end your argument.

So the gas ban is 2035 correct? Or so they say? Some car makers are suggesting even as early as 2030 that their fleet will consist of at least 50% EV's right? That part is clear.

How many car makers are ditching of even going hybrid and going straight to EV? Lotus? Ferrari? lambo? You're talking about hybrid but what year are you looking at? Next year?

Use the years 2030-2035 and show me where i am wrong.

There will be a gigantic swing of EV vs ICE on the road when you project how the car world is shifting given the mandates and the moves (goals) each car maker has.

In terms of performance. EV has already arrived. A fucking 4 door 140k car is destroying everything in sight. We live in america. It's about 0-60, HP and straight line speed. So you can save your track talk for another time. Because when it comes to these metrics, THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO SELL THE CAR. Hence it's success.

The ev hummer, sold out instantly. The lightning, sold out instantly. When the plaid first rolled out, people couldn't even get one. They had to wait a year. People are STILL WAITING a year, to get a 4 door plaid. About the same time people are waiting for 85k M3/M4's.

The desire and interest has shifted towards this EV movement.

The only way my argument is toast, is when we all wake up one morning, go on the interwebzzzzz and read, "EV is BEING PUSHED BACK, mandates are now 2050. The WORLD IS NOT READY for an EV push".

Until the above happens, there's really nothing you can say that has your argument valid. You're just saying a bunch of stuff to make it sound good to those reading so they can be like, "yeah man!! You really told BGM!!".

Because quite frankly, i am still killing this debate.