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but now with my 11, i see them all the time... especially after the leases got dirt cheap lol
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Z4 vs Boxster handling
A lot is made of the Z4's supposed bad handling with the old Boxster being held up as the epitome of good handling. However, the Stig's TopGear track time was 128.7s for a 2005 Boxster S and 128.2s for a 2009 Z4 35i.
In 2005 the Boxster S had a curb weight of 2965lbs with 280HP according to Edmunds and the 2009 Z4 weighed in at 3450lbs with 300HP. This gives the BMW a weight to power ratio of 11.5lbs/HP with the Boxster at 10.6lbs/HP. So if the handling of the BMW was as terrible as some would have you to believe how does the Z4 that is overall heavier, with worse weight/power ratio and saddled with run flat tires beat it around a track by half a second? |
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Meaning the Z4 will feel faster than the new Boxster most of ther time and during normal everyday driving, since it has more torque and the max torque hits at 1500 RPMs. You feel as if you have more control of the vehicle's speed because the vehicles response to the throttle is more immediate. All of this enhances the driving dynamics and the drivers experience. |
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I own the 35is and it is the best car I've ever owned. However, the new boxster is the best looking thing I have ever seen with a Porsche badge except for the old GT. If it was an affordable car here, I'd seriously consider one. To spec it up to be equivalent to my Z4 would make a boxster S about a $180,000 car here. Compared to about $150K for the Z. Add to that you can haggle a better deal with BMW and the Porsche sales guys are all dicks, i guess i will stay with what i have for a while. But I think the boxster now is an attractive car.
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You know, I think he may have a point there. Maybe not the M6, but the rest of the 6 series convertibles. I did test drive it a lot, and the rear seat is really just an extension of the trunk and not really a seat IMHO. Everything (power, noticable changes between the normal/sport/sport+ settings, etc.) was just more pronounced than on the Z4. Agree it's a different style, but if I had had the money, I would have given the 6 very serious consideration. Styling is different, but other than that, it has everything I love about the Z4 -- just a tiny bit more of everything without the hard top!
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Man, we can't seriously be comparing the Z4 to a 6 series... If I wanted a big monster, I'd buy a yacht. I dislike large cars and the Z4 is already edging on big for my tastes (it's the same length as a Honda Civic sedan!).
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I'm perfectly happy with the E89s length, I just love the long hood. I really don't think it'll look as good if they shortened it.
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Absolutely, an excellent point! The E36 325i was replaced by the 328i. The 328i had exactly 1 horsepower more then the 325i did. However, with the torque difference, it drove like an entirely different car and felt worlds faster. |
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Lol... Seriously??? The 6 series isnt even a roadster! So by definition its not even comparable. The definition BMW gives for the 6 series is "Exeutive coupe/Convertible". They even announced a 4 door version of the 6 series to rival the A7 and CLS. How can you guys even compare two different car philosophies is beyond me.
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Well, I just sold my '09 Boxster I had for 3 years and got a 2012 Z435i. I loved my Porsche, and found it to be extremely well built, great fun to drive, loved the engine roar upon smart acceleration, but also the smooth and yet solid driving when just cruising. Great to have two trunks, and the creature comfort items are very well thought out and work flawlessly.
For the money, it is probably THE car to have in terms of the "handles like driving on rails" saying goes... but it is also quite stiff. That means one feels every little bump and crack in the road. And, while some say its design is getting old, it still DOES draw attention. My Z4 is easily as fast if not faster, handles ALMOST as flat and sharp as the Boxster, but unless one is a demanding track enthusiast, it works extremely well, looks great, and can get you into deep trouble very quickly if you don't apply wisdom behind the wheel! It's also a very comfortable cruiser. And yes - comparably equipped, it is less expensive than the Porsche. And BMW often promotes pretty decent deals -- I got a nice windfall from selling my Porsche and am now enjoying a very affordable lease with my Z4. I'm glad I had a 3-year Porsche "experiment", but I'm very happy to be driving a Z4 35i now, too! Doug |
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i have never driven a boxter but i regularly drive z4 and slk (my mums), the post from the slk forum is bang on i would imagine, boxter best, z4 middleman and slk looks good but tad boring
here is a couple pics from the z4-forum.com i posted Quality not best. my z is sdrive20i msport pack, and the slk is r172 slk200 with amg pack |
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you guys don't agree with the M6 is a 911 version of the Z? M6 and 911 are the best of two brands. Both tune for speed and handling, with much higher price than the z/boxster. Both have useless backseats. I'd say if we can compare the Z to Boxster, then isn't it the same with M6 and 911?
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I don't really see the Boxsters/Cayman a baby 911 since it's mid-engine and overall, even better than the regular 911. They strictly limit it's hp (always below the 911 hp) because they know that if they make one that can compete with the 911s power for a cheaper price, then it'll take away sales from their niche car and a lot of 911 enthusiast who goes from one 911 to another 911 might be pissed and switch brands. That is something Porsche isn't willing to take a risk at in the moment.
Plus the regular 911 is still at least $10k more than the 640i coupe before options. Then there will be a plethora of other 911s that will simply overwhelm the 6 series. And again, the new 6-series gran coupe kind of separates it from the 911 altogether unless you try and compare it to the Panamera?
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I just traded an '06 Boxster manual for a ZS35i 7 speed. I don't track my cars so I can't speak about that aspect. There is no car but the Cayman in this price range that handles as well or is as much fun to drive as a Boxster. The grip and handling is amazing. Mine was optioned out, but I got a near $60K car for $48K. Just luck. A woman ordered an automatic loaded and they f'ed up and ordered it in a manual. They sat on it from August, as no one wanted to pay 4 all the options, until I got it on a special deal in April. Had 6 years of fun, but always found the new Z4 style more to my taste, and saw very few on the road. I see Porsche's all day long. Same boring styling. The Boxster looks more like a toy than the Z4 to me anyway. I'm liking the change and think the Z4 is a good car 4 me at my age anyway. Just sexier to me and less girlly. The 7 speed dual clutch manual is really fun and has the low end torque that's missing in the Boxster. Can't really tune a Boxster much either. I did like winding out the Boxster to 7K RPMS with each shift. Very smooth power curve. Once u hit 4K rpms it loves to make power up to red line.
The Z4 turbo is easy to tune and tuned makes the new Boxster S not a good relative value. It's fast enough untuned for me. Just getting a cat back and a CAI. That will make it about as fast as the is. What I really love is that in heavy traffic I'm not cluching and stopping over and over, and over for eternity. I get caught in rush hour alot on the highway, and the Boxster was a pain in the arse that stop and go situation. If I were younger I'd go for the Boxster S (with few options) no doubt, but I find the Z4 more mature. I always wanted a Z8 and when I serviced my Z4 Weds. there was a silver Z8 there being serviced. I prefered the lines of my silver Z4 much more. That pleasantly surprised me. I was going to get the Z4 in a manual, but next to the Boxster the BMW manual just felt sloppy. The Boxster manual with a short throw shifter is a great tranny when not in traffic. Realiability wise the Boxster can't be beat. BMWs just are no longer reliable. Almost as bad as an Audi. Brian1 |
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1) The 35i weighs about 250 lbs more than the e85M. That would be the best 2 cars for comparison. To say the e89 weighs 500 lbs. more than the e85 is an exaggeration. 2) The 2013 Boxster looks 95% like the 1998 - 2011 Boxster and I see 25 of those upside down bath tubs on the road for every ONE e89 I see. So, which one is more exclusive???? 3) "Boulevard Cruiser" ? - are you #$%& serious??!! Go drive something like a G37 convertible, then drive a 35i with new Michelin PSS Non Runflat tires, which many of us are switching to and then you tell us which car is the "Boulevard cruiser" and which is the nimble sportscar. Last edited by 35iDriver; 06-06-2012 at 07:35 PM.. |
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