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      06-05-2012, 09:59 AM   #1
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Micheline PS2ZP vs Micheline PSS

Anybody using above tires on their Z4? I want to know how u feel about it? Thanks.
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      06-05-2012, 01:00 PM   #2
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I have the PSS and love them. Going from RFT to non-RFT makes for a completely different car and these tires have excellent characteristics all around.
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Pilot Super Sport on 18" wheels, Z4 35i w/ manual gearbox.

Absolutely love those tires. Turned the Z4 into a proper sports car.
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What size PSS are you running?
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What size PSS are you running?
225/40R18 front, 255/35R18 back - stock sizes
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I have the PSS and love them. Going from RFT to non-RFT makes for a completely different car and these tires have excellent characteristics all around.
Can anyone provide a little more details and descriptions on how this feels compared to the stock tires? I'm curious to see if this is worth the expensive price.

I'm trying to make a wish list of which upgrades is well worth getting
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Can anyone provide a little more details and descriptions on how this feels compared to the stock tires? I'm curious to see if this is worth the expensive price.

I'm trying to make a wish list of which upgrades is well worth getting


When I put them on my 335i, the ride was less harsh, the handling was more connected and more precise and traction was improved compared to the stock RFTs. It's not a huge difference, but noticeable and worth it. If your RFTs are nearing the end of their lifespan, switching to non-RFTs could definitely be a good move.
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I have the PSS and love them. Going from RFT to non-RFT makes for a completely different car and these tires have excellent characteristics all around.
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When I put them on my 335i, the ride was less harsh, the handling was more connected and more precise and traction was improved compared to the stock RFTs. It's not a huge difference, but noticeable and worth it. If your RFTs are nearing the end of their lifespan, switching to non-RFTs could definitely be a good move.
Thanks. TireRack.com has a special right now. $200 for the front and $260 for the rear tires. Has anyone tried either just swapping the front or the rear tires?
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      07-22-2012, 08:58 AM   #9
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Anybody using above tires on their Z4? I want to know how u feel about it? Thanks.
we are running the PSS on 19" VMR 710s. 235/35 and 265/30 I think. these tires are awesome and they did truly transform the car - more comfortable, better steering response, very very sticky, etc. everything is better and it depresses me that BMW insist on handicapping their "sports cars" with RFTs. anyway you put it, the Z4 is an enthusiast's car and it should have had proper tires on it from Day 1. even if I am stranded by a flat tire while I use the SOS system to get a tow I will still be glad I switched!
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      07-22-2012, 10:35 AM   #10
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we are running the PSS on 19" VMR 710s. 235/35 and 265/30 I think. these tires are awesome and they did truly transform the car - more comfortable, better steering response, very very sticky, etc. everything is better and it depresses me that BMW insist on handicapping their "sports cars" with RFTs. anyway you put it, the Z4 is an enthusiast's car and it should have had proper tires on it from Day 1. even if I am stranded by a flat tire while I use the SOS system to get a tow I will still be glad I switched!
May sound paranoid but will BMW squawk about paying for a tow if we don't have RFTs? I'm definitely switching to nons when my tires are due but have often wondered about if we would be covered.
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May sound paranoid but will BMW squawk about paying for a tow if we don't have RFTs? I'm definitely switching to nons when my tires are due but have often wondered about if we would be covered.
I keep one of these in my trunk

http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/...Tire+Inflation
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May sound paranoid but will BMW squawk about paying for a tow if we don't have RFTs? I'm definitely switching to nons when my tires are due but have often wondered about if we would be covered.
you are probably right since BMWNA squawks about anything that can save them a dime at the customers expense - this is not unique to BMW in this challenging business climate of 2012, just a fact. however, even if I have to pay for the tow I will not care because RFTs are a joke on a sports car and they transform the Z's handling - worth every penny. I would love to shod the iS with a set of PSS and then "re-do" the head to head with the new Boxster S.
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you are probably right since BMWNA squawks about anything that can save them a dime at the customers expense - this is not unique to BMW in this challenging business climate of 2012, just a fact. however, even if I have to pay for the tow I will not care because RFTs are a joke on a sports car and they transform the Z's handling - worth every penny. I would love to shod the iS with a set of PSS and then "re-do" the head to head with the new Boxster S.


Yeah, my dealer squawked a bit when I traded my 335i with PSSs in.
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      07-22-2012, 03:38 PM   #14
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Yeah, my dealer squawked a bit when I traded my 335i with PSSs in.
do they squawk when an M3 comes in on trade on Non-RFTs??????!!!!!!
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      07-22-2012, 07:51 PM   #15
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For what it is worth, I used that on my old WRX when one of the tires got a bad puncture (the nail was still in the tread, but it was huge) and the product did not seal the leak. It didn't even seem to slow down the rate of air loss.

I barely made it to the the tire shop, which was 3 miles away, and did so by extremely overinflating the tire and driving slowly.

I've been very hesitant to switch to a non RFT without a spare after this experience.
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Yeah, my dealer squawked a bit when I traded my 335i with PSSs in.
I put them on my 35i and love them. The car drives smoother and handles better.
If they are still on the car if/when I trade it in and all the dealer has to squawk about tires they know are better than the OEMs, then I'll know they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for a negotiation point.

Reminds me of the time back in 2007 when I was selling my 2005 350Z Roadster. The potential buyer said the car was too clean for him. So I told him I'd throw some dirt in it for him if that would help, but the price was still $31k. I knew he ran out of negotiating power with a comment like that. He walked away, but then called me back 2 weeks later, and bought the car for...............$31k

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I have the PSS and love them. Going from RFT to non-RFT makes for a completely different car and these tires have excellent characteristics all around.
Anyone go from a 17" RFT to an 18" non RF? I'd kinda like to step up to the 18" but am hesitant due to increased harshness of ride, but maybe going to a non RF will be somewhat of a wash?? (as far as "comfort" is concerned)
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I have the PSS and love them. Going from RFT to non-RFT makes for a completely different car and these tires have excellent characteristics all around.
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Anyone go from a 17" RFT to an 18" non RF? I'd kinda like to step up to the 18" but am hesitant due to increased harshness of ride, but maybe going to a non RF will be somewhat of a wash?? (as far as "comfort" is concerned)
I'm in the same boat. Strongly considering 18s non rft. Might bump to 235 front and 265 rear also. I'd be interested in anyone else's experience/advice.
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I'm in the same boat. Strongly considering 18s non rft. Might bump to 235 front and 265 rear also. I'd be interested in anyone else's experience/advice.
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I'm in the same boat. Strongly considering 18s non rft. Might bump to 235 front and 265 rear also. I'd be interested in anyone else's experience/advice.
I went from OEM RFT 18's 225 front/255 rear to Michelin PSS 18s 225 front/265 rear (up 10 mm)... to get some extra grip. All is good.

Plus the 265s were less $$ than the 255's at the time so it was a no brainer
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I'm in the same boat. Strongly considering 18s non rft. Might bump to 235 front and 265 rear also. I'd be interested in anyone else's experience/advice.
We are running on 19" 235 and 265 - awesome and no problems.
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I'm limiting myself to only 1 upgrades at a time for the next 6 months, so if you are to choose, which of the 2 upgrades would it be:

1. ESS tune
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2. Swapping the RF tires with Michelin Pilot SuperSport

I'm thinking that the ESS tune is worth more the fun.
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