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      11-16-2009, 06:26 PM   #1
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Arrow BMW Z4 sDrive35i vs Porsche Boxster S

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      11-16-2009, 07:44 PM   #2
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not bad... neat set up for reading.
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      11-17-2009, 01:03 AM   #3
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I like that online magazine! Thanks for sharing. Both cars are great! A good positive review on both.
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      11-17-2009, 03:18 PM   #4
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Yet another review where the writer thinks the Porsche handling is so good that the car lacks character or is down right dull to drive.

Kudos for Porsche for making such great driver's cars, but "involvement through mild fear" sounds better to me.
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good article on two great roadsters
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Some have said the Z4 M was a rush to drive at the very edge, and maybe the 35i has a acquired a taste of that heritage?
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re: the z4M

hammond said it best, "you can't drive it like a precision tool, you have to grab it by the scruff of the neck and treat like the beast it is!"
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My previous BMW was an 2008 m roadster and it was a blast to push to the limits! I wish this new Z4 had the same steering response like the M roadster. Sometimes when I slide around the corner on the new one I hardly notice that I had slid. Other thAn that, I really don't miss the harsh ride on long trips on the M and noisy cabin. they are both great cars just more enthusiast would prefer M. Glad I got a 6 speed manual as I notice a big difference from DCT. after coming from M roadster, I think most would prefer manual as it is more envolving/engaging.
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      11-19-2009, 11:46 AM   #9
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My previous BMW was an 2008 m roadster and it was a blast to push to the limits! I wish this new Z4 had the same steering response like the M roadster. Sometimes when I slide around the corner on the new one I hardly notice that I had slid. Other thAn that, I really don't miss the harsh ride on long trips on the M and noisy cabin. they are both great cars just more enthusiast would prefer M. Glad I got a 6 speed manual as I notice a big difference from DCT. after coming from M roadster, I think most would prefer manual as it is more envolving/engaging.
The Z4M was definitely a blast to drive but I totally agree with you, it was a bit harsh for a daily driver or long rides unless the entire route consists of canyon type roads.

The new e89 has a few compromises in terms of the sportiness the previous gen M brought but it also brought a new level of comfort and luxury which I don't mind at all. Its pretty easy to get the car back to a sporty level that rivals the old M (suspension and ECU tuning).

DCT was smooth but it doesn't act as quick on spirited drives as a manual gearbox. Glad I stuck with the 6 speed. All it needs is a Short Shifter now...
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The Z4M was definitely a blast to drive but I totally agree with you, it was a bit harsh for a daily driver or long rides unless the entire route consists of canyon type roads.

The new e89 has a few compromises in terms of the sportiness the previous gen M brought but it also brought a new level of comfort and luxury which I don't mind at all. Its pretty easy to get the car back to a sporty level that rivals the old M (suspension and ECU tuning).

DCT was smooth but it doesn't act as quick on spirited drives as a manual gearbox. Glad I stuck with the 6 speed. All it needs is a Short Shifter now...

I think this is a great way of explaining how one should decide in between the new Z4 3.5 or the old Z4 M. Although, I would still go for the Z4 M if I were to buy one tomorrow I'd say (will hopefully happen soon though). I think M engineering is very unique and the elements they put in the car for an M is worth the "stiff" drive.
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      11-19-2009, 01:31 PM   #11
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I think this is a great way of explaining how one should decide in between the new Z4 3.5 or the old Z4 M. Although, I would still go for the Z4 M if I were to buy one tomorrow I'd say (will hopefully happen soon though). I think M engineering is very unique and the elements they put in the car for an M is worth the "stiff" drive.
The only difference in terms of handling between the two so far is the fact the new e89 is missing the LSD which is pretty crucial if you are looking to rip the car around nice bends from time to time. Of course with the LSD the car will have a tendency to have less understeer as well...

Having driven both generation of the top Z4s, our objective for our current e89 build is to create a car that has the comforts the current gen possesses but still have the capabilities to be a beast on the track and on canyon runs. We want to create what we think an e89 Z4M would be
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The only difference in terms of handling between the two so far is the fact the new e89 is missing the LSD which is pretty crucial if you are looking to rip the car around nice bends from time to time. Of course with the LSD the car will have a tendency to have less understeer as well...

Having driven both generation of the top Z4s, our objective for our current e89 build is to create a car that has the comforts the current gen possesses but still have the capabilities to be a beast on the track and on canyon runs. We want to create what we think an e89 Z4M would be
Really?

I'm even amazed, number 1, that anyone would compare this car to a Boxster (much less an S). The E89 is a much better comparison for a Lexus SC430 or Mercedes SLK.

Number 2, there are way more differences than just the LSD. The E86 ///M is a track car, so it also happens to do canyon carving well. But put the E89 on a highly technical road course and then try to compare it (fully modded) to an E86 ///M and you'll see that there really is zero comparison between the two in terms of actual performance.
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Id put a LSD into a Z4 before I by a boxster, if Im going P Car im going 996 Turbo.
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      11-19-2009, 05:04 PM   #14
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Really?

I'm even amazed, number 1, that anyone would compare this car to a Boxster (much less an S). The E89 is a much better comparison for a Lexus SC430 or Mercedes SLK.

Number 2, there are way more differences than just the LSD. The E86 ///M is a track car, so it also happens to do canyon carving well. But put the E89 on a highly technical road course and then try to compare it (fully modded) to an E86 ///M and you'll see that there really is zero comparison between the two in terms of actual performance.
Thanks, I needed a good chuckle today. ....Lexus SC430 comparable to the new Z4? Reeeeally? LOL The SC430?? - The 10 year old, ancient technology, stodgy, truck like transmission, bloated excuse for a sports car, designed for blue hairs bath tub that my grandmother would look good in, car???? That SC430??? Surely, you jest.

Everone seems to be comparing the new Z4 with the Boxster S, so this should really come as no surprise or amazement to anyone at this point. As for the Boxster (non S) there is always the Miata to compare IT to.
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Thanks, I needed a good chuckle today. ....Lexus SC430 comparable to the new Z4? Reeeeally? LOL The SC430?? - The 10 year old, ancient technology, stodgy, truck like transmission, bloated excuse for a sports car, designed for blue hairs bath tub that my grandmother would look good in, car???? That SC430??? Surely, you jest.

Everone seems to be comparing the new Z4 with the Boxster S, so this should really come as no surprise or amazement to anyone at this point. As for the Boxster (non S) there is always the Miata to compare IT to.
I couldn't have said it better!
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Really?

I'm even amazed, number 1, that anyone would compare this car to a Boxster (much less an S). The E89 is a much better comparison for a Lexus SC430 or Mercedes SLK.

Number 2, there are way more differences than just the LSD. The E86 ///M is a track car, so it also happens to do canyon carving well. But put the E89 on a highly technical road course and then try to compare it (fully modded) to an E86 ///M and you'll see that there really is zero comparison between the two in terms of actual performance.
If you look closely, youíd see that apart from the Z4 M steering rack, the e85 and e89 suspension systems are very similar. The e89 35i is heaver than the M due to the convertible hardtop and the N54 TT engine, but apart from that itís all a matter of choices BMW made based on their market assessment. Itís pretty clear what the public wanted.

If a person wants a harder track-like ride and handling characteristics, suspension mods are easy. Getting more horses from the n54 is easier than the s54. IMHO, all of this boils down to more possibilities from the e89.

Sure, itíd be great to see BMW slap a S65 M3 v8, an M certified DCT, stiffer stabilizers and dampers in the e89. Z4 M fan disappointment that an M version is not immediately forthcoming is understandable. On the other hand, the e89 Z4 is not like driving a Barcalounger, either, as some would suggest. I think youíre being a little unfair by comparing it to a Lexus toupee flipper designed for the slow mo geriatric set.
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When I bought my Z3 in 2001, I looked at Boxsters, thought the Boxster was maybe a better car but not worth the $ difference. And I liked the Z3 retro styling better anyway. (And I bought the Z3 that year because I couldn't stand the Bangled Z4 pics I was starting to see)

When I bought my new Z4 a couple of months ago, I thought (1) the Z4 was clearly a better car, (2) the Boxster really hadn't changed much, (3) the higher Boxster price made no sense.
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When I bought my new Z4 a couple of months ago, I thought (1) the Z4 was clearly a better car, (2) the Boxster really hadn't changed much, (3) the higher Boxster price made no sense.
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A mid-engine p-car vs. a front engine bmw? Sorry pcar all the way. If one fancies a beast then why not more of it? Step into a AMG, vette or camaro? I prefer surgical control through sophistication.
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.............DCT was smooth but it doesn't act as quick on spirited drives as a manual gearbox. Glad I stuck with the 6 speed. All it needs is a Short Shifter now...
You're joking, right?!

Don't think I've seen any credible post yet that says manual is faster than DCT ..... MotorTrend and Car&Track both think the DCT is faster.
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When I bought my Z3 my brother, who rides a Harley, liked it but wasn't impressed.

When I took him for a ride in the new Z4, he said "I'll just ride, not ready to drive it" .... intimidated, I think.,
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