So...you can code your M235i to sound like an M3....

[Needsdecaf]

Or apparently you can code your M3 to sound like a 335. Or an M5 for that matter!

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1080888

Am I the only one who finds this completely depressing? Not only is active sound just a recording, but looks like:

1. Pretty much every BMW must use it?
2. You can make your BMW sound like any other?

Sheesh. This sucks.

[ASAP]

You can get an s63 sound...

[SakhirM4]

The Active Sound in the F8X is not a recording.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

The Active Sound in the F8X is not a recording.

Then explain how it got into a 135i with nothing more than coding....

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Then explain how it got into a 135i with nothing more than coding....

Active sound operates on an algorithm with multiple parameters including: throttle position, engine speed and engine load. From these values, the system calculates synthetic engine sounds to be projected into the cabin. BMW said that the intention was to provide greater engine speed feedback to the driver to compensate for the more muffled sound of the turbo engine.

Artificial - not recorded.

[myzmak]

Awwww, gee thanks Needsdecaf , you have combined two huge F80 issues into one thread (M3/M4 vs M235i AND active sound......) Trying to see how big a flame war you can start up?

Really, you should now also demand a recall.....and suggest an S55 is basically an N55 with tweaks. That will be the thread to end all threads



Anyway, I'm not hugely depressed by this.

The fact is: the F80 sounds good. (800km in and I can now say this with some comfort) from inside or outside. I really don't care what other cars sound like at this point. I like mine.

(edit: for some reason I called OP ASAP originally. I don't know why. Time to go home I guess........ sorry to you both....)

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by myzmak

Awwww, gee thanks ASAP, you have combined two huge F80 issues into one thread (M3/M4 vs M235i AND active sound......) Trying to see how big a flame war you can start up?

Really, you should now also demand a recall.....and suggest an S55 is basically an N55 with tweaks. That will be the thread to end all threads



Anyway, I'm not hugely depressed by this.

The fact is: the F80 sounds good. (800km in and I can now say this with some comfort) from inside or outside. I really don't care what other cars sound like at this point. I like mine.

hahahaha

[solstice]

Artificial is the new reality. It's everywhere. Hang on to whatever natural stuff you got...

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Active sound operates on an algorithm with multiple parameters including: throttle position, engine speed and engine load. From these values, the system calculates synthetic engine sounds to be projected into the cabin. BMW said that the intention was to provide greater engine speed feedback to the driver to compensate for the more muffled sound of the turbo engine.

Artificial - not recorded.

I thought I read somewhere that active sound was real-time and live engine noises fom the engine bay, amplified and piped into the cabin. So the sound is essentially ... Synthesized and pre-recorded?

If that's the case, I think it's laughable.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

I thought I read somewhere that active sound was real-time and live engine noises fom the engine bay, amplified and piped into the cabin. So the sounds is essentially ... Synthesized and pre-recorded?

Yes, no microphones.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

I thought I read somewhere that active sound was real-time and live engine noises fom the engine bay, amplified and piped into the cabin. So the sounds is essentially ... Synthesized and pre-recorded?

It is real time based on throttle position, engine speed and engine load. From these values, the system calculates synthetic engine sounds to be projected into the cabin.

Synthesized - not pre-recorded

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Synthesized - not pre-recorded

But the sound is pre-determined in the alghoritm, i.e it can be changed with code to sound like pretty much anything.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by solstice

But the sound is pre-determined in the alghoritm, i.e it can be changed with code to sound like pretty much anything.

Agree

[Falafel Combo]

Check out this post ...

Originally Posted by Heitzer

Some guys with Hifi have not been able to get this to work. Probably more related to coding it properly. If you don't get any sound at all after the coding just unplug and reconnect ASD in trunk (switch off car completely and wait 20 sec. before reconnecting). These are instructions from Lowi who also posted the video.

Also, one guy claims you can change the volume of the ASD. Would be great if you could select all that in a menu. Like in the Renault Clio. Silly but probably the future .

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by solstice

But the sound is pre-determined in the alghoritm, i.e it can be changed with code to sound like pretty much anything.

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Agree

What a joke!

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Then explain how it got into a 135i with nothing more than coding....

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Active sound operates on an algorithm with multiple parameters including: throttle position, engine speed and engine load. From these values, the system calculates synthetic engine sounds to be projected into the cabin. BMW said that the intention was to provide greater engine speed feedback to the driver to compensate for the more muffled sound of the turbo engine.

Artificial - not recorded.

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

It is real time based on throttle position, engine speed and engine load. From these values, the system calculates synthetic engine sounds to be projected into the cabin.

Synthesized - not pre-recorded

So musing here on how it works in the M235i.....

I guess that the same audio processor (or a similar one) exists in the M235 and, based on the throttle position/speed/load in that car, will make sounds like the F8X. (or, if that other post is to be believed, like an S63 or whatever other engine one wants)

So inside the car, one hears noises that are like a different car.

But how would that work with window-down driving (where one can hear the exhaust?) I know that Active Sound is about filling in missing intake noise, not exhaust noise, but shouldn't it still match up in some way to the exhaust? Would there be a disconnect there?

also, frankly, from that video I guess I hear what the car sounds like with that coding but not what a normal M235 sounds like. So I don't know how much of a deal it actually is. Is it that different from normal M235 active sound? Some folks on this forum say with ASD off they don't notice a big difference, some say they do. My gut says the unreported part of that story is that the M235 Active Sound and the F8X Active sound don't really sound all that different.......and, frankly, neither may sound like much at all. But, again, this is all just intellectual speculation at this point. I don't really care beyond curiosity 'cause, again, I like my car and the way it sounds.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by myzmak

I don't really care beyond curiosity 'cause, again, I like my car and the way it sounds.

[solstice]

I like my car as well but not because of how it sounds. I don't dislike the sound either, it's just ok and it does what BMW intended to, it offers good aural guidance of engine speed.

[erind]

Lol really happy my active sound stopped working. Hah

[CanAutM3]

According to this old thread, Bimmerpost had received confirmation from BMW that the Active Sound in the F8X is "a live amplification of the S55 engine's natural sounds. There is no artificially generated sound or pre-recorded track being played."

Same for this article where BMW is quoted saying "Critically, there will also be no artificial sound generation – the electronic noise (which BMW calls Active Sound) will instead simply be a real-time amplification of induction noises actually produced by the engine."

I did not find any source that confirms otherwise

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

According to this old thread, Bimmerpost had received confirmation from BMW that the Active Sound in the F8X is "a live amplification of the S55 engine's natural sounds. There is no artificially generated sound or pre-recorded track being played."

I did not find any source that confirms otherwise

The M135i sounding like an F80 would seem to indicate otherwise.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

According to this old thread, Bimmerpost had received confirmation from BMW that the Active Sound in the F8X is "a live amplification of the S55 engine's natural sounds. There is no artificially generated sound or pre-recorded track being played."

Same for this article where BMW is quoted saying "Critically, there will also be no artificial sound generation – the electronic noise (which BMW calls Active Sound) will instead simply be a real-time amplification of induction noises actually produced by the engine."

I did not find any source that confirms otherwise

THANK YOU! That was my understanding of the system based on reading those interviews.