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      10-06-2010, 05:18 PM   #23
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I think this is awesome.

Engines that would be sweet that won't happen-

S65 V-10

FI S54 because who doesn't love the S54.

The TT V8 from the new M5/6

But, we all know it's going to be an overboosted N54.

My guess? 390hp. Not quite 400... but more than enough to put it above the 1///M and lower than the F30 M3 which will probably come in around 450hp (just a guess.)
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It is being discussed primarily because the same situation is going to arise again. The official line is no , but that was said before was it not?
Again cost is the defining factor, and especially it's pricing on the market.

One thing has changed though.
The original Z4,Z4M and Coupe were brought in to support sales of the E85 Z4which was a radical car at the time, especially with it's cutting edge design.
The new Z4 (E89) has proved to be a success and have a much better response than the E85.

When you look at the 1M and it's unique skunkworks development and especially the engine. The car is handicapped because of the M3 and the desire to not let the car get within the distance of the M3 is evident.
Afterall they do not want to kill the golden goose (yet).

Should they consider a Z4M , then with the phase out of the 1M and the M3 with it's V8 you could see the "less restricted" output out of the 1M engine to even the balance.

As for a Coupe? When both hardtop and soft-top were being considered for the Z4 an additional Coupe was considered also. Until the two collided and introduced the folding hardtop.
A potential Coupe could return to the similar character of an E86 or it could simply use the fixed roof from the GT3 car , it all depends on how adventurous the programme gets.

Looking at past history and especially jumping a couple of years into the future. You can see how the opening for such a model is there.

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      10-06-2010, 05:27 PM   #25
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so Z4 35is is 65k to 69k. MZ4 will probably be hitting 75k to 79k. Does that sound feasible to build? Come on, one need to be realistic about it.
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      10-06-2010, 05:39 PM   #26
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so Z4 35is is 65k to 69k. MZ4 will probably be hitting 75k to 79k. Does that sound feasible to build? Come on, one need to be realistic about it.
Current Z in the U.S. tops out at $73k. Likely at least a $10k adder for an M version? As much as I would love to see it the pricing is going to be outrageous. Also please lose the adaptive steering.
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Current Z in the U.S. tops out at $73k. Likely at least a $10k adder for an M version? As much as I would love to see it the pricing is going to be outrageous. Also please lose the adaptive steering.
Agree about the adaptive steering. I just can't see many $83K Z4's moving at that price with an I-6. And I believe the V8 is a no go as others have suggested.
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      10-06-2010, 05:52 PM   #28
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If BMW build it I think it will be great it should be built....Now if they put a V8 in this thing....guess my daughter will be working her way thru school.....hahahahaha
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      10-06-2010, 06:08 PM   #29
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This is my take on BMW's current development philosophy

1. They screwed up and made the current E9X M3 to "weak" in their lineup. 430-450hp would have been a more comfortable target
2. Due to the N54/N55 being so good they have to hold it back so to speak as to not encroach on M3 sales
3. Considering that M cars are traditionally low volume sales what is preventing BMW from putting a V8 in the Z4M? If the M3 was at 430-450hp a detuned version would have been great for that plus the 1M

So with all that in mind BMW is just putting the N55 with LSD and calling it an M. I don't know if you guys are REALLY penny pinching but following MB's model would have been better. Everyone loves a high revving N/A engine.
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      10-06-2010, 06:14 PM   #30
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Put the V8 in there!!!! N54 with only 350 hp is unacceptably low for a car of the predicted price. Thus, we need at least 400 hp---and why bother with developing the N54 with 400 hp when you can almost just as easily put the m3's v8 in there?! Waaaah.
NO Point, I already have 385 hp in my Z4 with 425 ft lbs of torque. Use 94 octane and it's probably up around the 400 hp mark. Dinan already did it for me.... If you have an M adaptive suspension and a couple of M badges you're there already. To be anything worthwhile an M from BMW would need to have over 450 hp or it's really a waste of time.

My Zed can stay up with the current model M3 without any problems, much to their chagrin....
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This is my take on BMW's current development philosophy

1. They screwed up and made the current E9X M3 to "weak" in their lineup. 430-450hp would have been a more comfortable target
2. Due to the N54/N55 being so good they have to hold it back so to speak as to not encroach on M3 sales
3. Considering that M cars are traditionally low volume sales what is preventing BMW from putting a V8 in the Z4M? If the M3 was at 430-450hp a detuned version would have been great for that plus the 1M

So with all that in mind BMW is just putting the N55 with LSD and calling it an M. I don't know if you guys are REALLY penny pinching but following MB's model would have been better. Everyone loves a high revving N/A engine.
No argument here.
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YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!! I guarantee BMW I will buy one or they can have my house. As long as it compares to the previous model.
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Nice... let's make up for the M models that will be gone from the $50K to $70K bracket with one that will be priced in the $70K+... that in fact does not sell that well in the $47K-$55K bracket anyways to begin with.

This is absurd.
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      10-06-2010, 07:43 PM   #34
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I wouldn’t mind seeing a harder-edged purer enthusiast’s ///M Z4, but only for a couple of reasons.
  • Better suspension, brakes and steering than the current offerings. Although one can do one’s own suspension tuning, and better aftermarket front brakes may be forthcoming, the adaptive steering is a tougher nut to crack.
  • The remote possibility they might shave some weight and make a pure coupe. This will yield a stiffer chassis as well.
As far as a V8, it really doesn’t do much for me. The F1 purest says “Yes” I want it for the pure beauty of the thing. On the other hand, from a pure performance point of view, I’m not going to be tracking the car on a regular basis just so I could ring out one or two last horses at 8,500 RPM. Other than that what use is that beautiful V8? As I mentioned in other threads, a performance street car needs heaps of torque rather than horsepower at the top end of the power band (don’t bother I know the arguments), so really the N54 is a nice ///M engine.

One has to ask: is BMW really going to make a better street ///M N54 than I can do myself? I think the 35is is a nice package, but from a pure performance standpoint I’m disappointed with its torque – a short little overboost?! As noted, a Dinan Stage II really is right where you want to be with no limitations. Torque well over 400 lb-ft and horsepower is in a nice range for street use.

My sense is they may bring out a ///M but it will be primarily a marketing stunt to get the last ///M hardcore holdouts. Unless they address the points above I will be disappointed. I don’t buy the cost prohibitive argument – look at a nicely spec’d Porsche 997 or Boxster/Cayman –$100k+ US. Nobody even bats an eye.

If BMW pulls out the stops and doesn’t try to walk that fine line between a ///M badged high end boulevard cruser with a little more pep vs a real canyon carving performer, they will get the sales and maybe in bigger numbers than the previous ///M Z4.
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      10-06-2010, 08:45 PM   #35
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honestly, the only way i can see this working, if they made the z4m a purist car... like the new(-ish) boxster spyder... that thing is amazing!!! they should just get 375-400hp under the hood and drop 200+ lbs (fixed roof for sure or the canvas like the boxter spyder) and make the design a little radical like the 1M and they'd have a winner that people would easily pay a premium for!

(scott tell your boss this ^ )

either way i may be jumping ship after i'm tired of my car and go with a P car anyways, but that will give me incentive to stay!
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I'm going the other way, I want a Z3 M roadster. or maybe a later model (07, 08) Z4M but that's still too pricy for being a third Z in the garage.....
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I hear a lot of comparison between M cars and non-M cars, such as the Z4M vs 335is where the only consideration is power. There is a lot more than power that goes into an M car. Any Honda Civic on the street can add an extra 100hp with some bolt-ons. What makes an M car so expensive is the amount of refinement and balance that goes into the combination of engine-power to weight ratio to break-caliper-size to suspension to weight 50/50 distribution, plus wider wheel base and styling, etc.

If I only cared about horsepower, I'd go buy some POS American car that can't corner its way out of a parking lot.

Whats this about the 1M ending in 2012? They're only going to produce it for 2011 and 2012? Why would they bother putting all the research and advertising money into a car they're only going to sell for 2 years? If this does happen, wouldn't a new 1M take its place like the M3 has done generation after generation?
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I'd prefer if they brought back the Z8 instead
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Won't happen, for three reasons:

- The Z4 is the lowest-selling BMW with the exception of the outgoing 6-series.
- Why spend all that money developing the 35is then make an //M version that'd make it redundant?
- The Z4 has gone upmarket and is targeted at a much older audience.
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Also please lose the adaptive steering.

Adaptive steering is one of the best things I love about my 135i. Keep it as an option, I will buy it every time.
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Had Adaptive steering on my last car (pre-lci e90). It is feature I miss the most in my LCI e90.
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NO Point, I already have 385 hp in my Z4 with 425 ft lbs of torque. Use 94 octane and it's probably up around the 400 hp mark. Dinan already did it for me.... If you have an M adaptive suspension and a couple of M badges you're there already. To be anything worthwhile an M from BMW would need to have over 450 hp or it's really a waste of time.

My Zed can stay up with the current model M3 without any problems, much to their chagrin....
a 35i normal Z4 can keep up with an M3 , actually when i tested mine i was faster.

i think your Z4 will wipe the floor with the M3
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So let me get this straight Scott26..... So the 1M is only going to be made until 2012 because of the new 1-serious coming out on 2013 and therefore an M model normally waits for about two years or so before it comes out to the market on that specific model, or there going to stop making the 1M completely???? Please confirm.

Btw i really like the idea of a z4M, but i really perfer the 1M.
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I agree with the above comments regarding the Porsche Spyder that it only makes sense to me (I am sure BMW has other ideas, if 150lbs.+ are shed off the car with a cloth/ragtop or dare I dream a carbon/removable hard top (maybe that could be an option). Manual operation of the cloth top only would be prefered (like early Z3s) in lieu of the Spyder-"crazy" system so that the ZM would be more practical. Now through in the M3 NA V8, and MAGIC!
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