Still want an EV?

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

If you had one - you could actually test what your saying. I have "quiet" rooms in my house, and the unit absolutely sensitive enough to pick up smaller readings, but also "precise" enough to locate the direction of where it's coming from.

It basically one of the best units you can buy at the price point, before jumping up to more precise units at thousands. Claiming that "I'm picking up FM transmitters" sounds like someone who read a booklet looking for issues and not actual having experience with it.

I have a video of me testing the microwave, wifi and other devices in my house - it absolutely doesn't "pick up" random FM transmissions. Ya'll are WILD with these comments.

Back in the 80s I was using equipment with costs around $500,000 to measure microwave equipment, I doubt I'd trust a $200 meter of that sort with no frequency tuning to tell me more than there is a bit of RF.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by JimmyTheHand

Back in the 80s I was using equipment with costs around $500,000 to measure microwave equipment, I doubt I'd trust a $200 meter of that sort with no frequency tuning to tell me more than there is a bit of RF.

Back in the 80s a VCR costs $200, and a TV cost over 1000 (before adjusted for inflation) A cell phone was thousands, and calculator hundreds.

You don't have to trust anything, but it seems like you trust all these products are safe without doing any research or testing for yourself. And since I have (and clearly you have not) you want to s**t over all the links, equipment and methodology used without providing anything of value.

[Equilibrandt]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Back in the 80s a VCR costs $200, and a TV cost over 1000 (before adjusted for inflation) A cell phone was thousands, and calculator hundreds.

You don't have to trust anything, but it seems like you trust all these products are safe without doing any research or testing for yourself. And since I have (and clearly you have not) you want to s**t over all the links, equipment and methodology used without providing anything of value.

Be sure to track down every RF source in your local area of operation. That neighbor's smart home system? Cut the wires in the night. The wifi-enabled EV charger? EMP it.

Hope you don't own a Fitbit. Maybe you have ceiling fans that use IR remotes or physical switches, not RF remotes. Be cautious of all remotes in the house, too, along with any video game systems, stereo receivers, or your DVR. Your dog might even have a ping-able microchip! Hope no one drives past your house with their blind-spot monitors emitting RF. Don't stand near any car as it parks or you might get splashed by its ultrasonic parking sensor's deathrays.

Take it from a licensed RF engineer, man. You can't escape simple RF bouncing through your windows from every which source, even if it's not 'high power'. Getting gaslit by the RF-equivalent of a Fisher Price children's phone is just as unhealthy as sitting on top of some EV batteries as every car around you washes you with RF from their blind spot systems, safety systems, and adaptive cruise control.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

Be sure to track down every RF source in your local area of operation. That neighbor's smart home system? Cut the wires in the night. The wifi-enabled EV charger? EMP it.

I can walk up to my smart meter and see it peg the charts at the high end. Then walk outside near my neigbours house and pick up readings while in range of his wifi.

On the flipside, I can go turn off my wifi and go into an closet and get a low/no reading.

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

Hope you don't own a Fitbit. Maybe you have ceiling fans that use IR remotes or physical switches, not RF remotes. Be cautious of all remotes in the house, too, along with any video game systems, stereo receivers, or your DVR. Your dog might even have a ping-able microchip! Hope no one drives past your house with their blind-spot monitors emitting RF. Don't stand near any car as it parks or you might get splashed by its ultrasonic parking sensor's deathrays.

Good news, I don't have any of those nor do I have those issues.

Originally Posted by Equilibrandt

Take it from a licensed RF engineer, man. You can't escape simple RF bouncing through your windows from every which source, even if it's not 'high power'. Getting gaslit by the RF-equivalent of a Fisher Price children's phone is just as unhealthy as sitting on top of some EV batteries as every car around you washes you with RF from their blind spot systems, safety systems, and adaptive cruise control.

Gaslit? Again, did I mention that my wife (and sister) have EMF sensitivity? Do you know what licensed Engineers say? Get a RF meter, test it yourself and try to mitigate it by either turning it off, or using something else entirely.

You know what's funny - people who have one ZERO research on any of this, telling people who have tested it (including the videos I posted with much more expensive equipment than mine) that there is nothing wrong.
I'm not stopping you by from putting microwaves in your brain - but don't mock me because I don't want to.

[AmuroRay]

I just noticed - these two guys were located in CA - I'm not surprised they would tear down any type of concerns that effect their precious EVs.

For everyone else - I wouldn't drive an EV, and sure as hell wouldn't be in one while it's charging.

[RM7]

How does he use the internet if he’s so afraid of EM radiation?

[M5Rick]

I'll say a thing about mobile phones in that when it is on me it is switched OFF, I turn it on say every hour to catch any messages then it goes off again and in the car it goes in the glove box switched on that I can still make or receive a call hands free.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

This thread is deeply amusing as an exposition for those amongst us who suffer from crippling fears and anxieties.

And yet, generalized anxiety disorder is very treatable. There is no reason for so many of you to stay so brutally fearful.

Life is good.

As the saying goes 'there is nothing to fear but fear itself' but how fear is seen by ppl is another matter.
As far as EV's are concerned there is another 'fools rush in where angels fear to tread' which stands out in red letters to me.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

This thread is deeply amusing as an exposition for those amongst us who suffer from crippling fears and anxieties.

And yet, generalized anxiety disorder is very treatable. There is no reason for so many of you to stay so brutally fearful.

Life is good.

I'll get us back on track. I see no point to buying an expensive vehicle that has a low range vs. recharge ratio, especially since the ratio is significantly variable dependent upon the weather. None of that is fear, rather its just common sense.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by JimmyTheHand

Depends on frequency - but for lower frequencies most likely which I suspect most of what is being measured

Engineering jokes don't go over so well; I was pretty much being sarcastic. I doubt there is any real concern with magnetic fields in any EV.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'll get us back on track. I see no point to buying an expensive vehicle that has a low range vs. recharge ratio, especially since the ratio is significantly variable dependent upon the weather. None of that is fear, rather its just common sense.

I think it’s clear I’m not responding to that. Very clear.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Unfortunately, neuroses seem broadly applied to both ends of the spectrum. That EMF stuff ranks up there with the Zyklon B.

It's all fun and games until you start pissing neon green.

[gonzo]

^
Happened to me during an Acapulco extended stay.
* Gamma Globulin jab clears it right up.

[Equilibrandt]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I'll get us back on track. I see no point to buying an expensive vehicle that has a low range vs. recharge ratio, especially since the ratio is significantly variable dependent upon the weather. None of that is fear, rather its just common sense.

These are points I could absolutely agree with. It's known that supercharging/DC charging is way worse for the battery in the long term. Fast, hot charges are what kill usable storage quickly and deeply affect the resale value of the car.

And that's where I fall in line with y'all: range anxiety that's only alleviated by Level3 DC charging (which will incrementally degrade the battery), exacerbated by the fear of charging past 80% repeatedly at home, all to protect the value of a depreciating asset.

It's easy for me to consider a brand new EV, with a warranty, in sunny California where temperature doesn't have any effect on my supposed car. I could charge to 80% every night at home, nice and slow at 240V, for 24 cents a kWh.

But I can't imagine what I'd do if I was renting an apartment, still, and only had access to fast charging, which probably costs similar if not more than gas, while knowingly harming my car. Nor what I'd do if I were in Canada, watching my estimated range get nerfed for more than half the year. I don't hop in the Miata and romp on it until it's warmed up; can't expect the average consumer to not experience anxiety about knowingly (or blissfully ignoring) that they're slowly killing their capacity. All valid concerns. But we differ from where to go from there: I always think it makes more sense to continue to experience and see these issues as a form of progress; it's not a reason to stop here.

[Weather Man]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Wrong guy.

No, no, right guy. The shart guy is the Aussie B team. I gave you the Aussie A team.

[Weather Man]

EV battery outgassing is so fast and lethal, you literally don't have time to pull over and get out. I suspect this is one reason why EV car fires kill more people than a 1971 shitbox Pinto. You can really see it in all the Chyna scooter in an apartment outgas ignition vids. Now imagine you have your kids strapped in their car seats, how horrible.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by RM7

How does he use the internet if he’s so afraid of EM radiation?

The is still one thing called cable connection with RJ45 No need to be on internet using Wifi connection.

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Back in the 80s a VCR costs $200, and a TV cost over 1000 (before adjusted for inflation) A cell phone was thousands, and calculator hundreds.

You don't have to trust anything, but it seems like you trust all these products are safe without doing any research or testing for yourself. And since I have (and clearly you have not) you want to s**t over all the links, equipment and methodology used without providing anything of value.

I have a degree in Electronic Engineering, I have worked on radars and other related microwave equipment and spent a fair amount of time with electronic measurement equipmet - I suspect I have forgotten far more about the subject than you have learnt.

[JimmyTheHand]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Engineering jokes don't go over so well; I was pretty much being sarcastic. I doubt there is any real concern with magnetic fields in any EV.

np - the trouble is some people get paranoid about things they don't understand

I'd be much more worried about a Tesla's FSD/Driver assists mistaking something solid than the EM in a car. Though with latest news from Tesla about head count reduction I'd be even less inclined to buy one - I think probably you'd have to pay me to take it and not expect much use (but then I've driven about 5,000 miles since 2020)

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by JimmyTheHand

np - the trouble is some people get paranoid about things they don't understand

I'd be much more worried about a Tesla's FSD/Driver assists mistaking something solid than the EM in a car. Though with latest news from Tesla about head count reduction I'd be even less inclined to buy one - I think probably you'd have to pay me to take it and not expect much use (but then I've driven about 5,000 miles since 2020)

Agree. Not now, but until 2022 I was in a business doing very large scale safety-of-life systems integration for the past 15 years. Software is nowhere near perfect and redundant hardware reliable at a cost point that makes self driving anywhere near safe in a $40,000 automobile. The near autonomous Google pods that self-drive around Silicon Valley have goofy-ass-looking sensor suites that are impractical for private ownership and those cars still hit things, animals, and humans. The tech can probably get there eventually, but affordability is the real question.

[eugenebmw]

Montreal-area Tesla owner frustrated after accident using driving app

I will never park my G82 next to or close to those called smart cars. Don't worry, I will stay away from you guys