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| 01-07-2012, 01:19 PM | #23 | |
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The only reason the DCT would not hold a gear is if you were bouncing off the redline. The only reason that would be necessary is if certain corners were in-between gears (too high for second, too low for 3rd). I don't recall that problem with a 550i at VIR. It had the 6sp auto with paddles. Although I didn't run the Grand West course to include the inner section. I only used 2nd gear for Oak Tree (bottom U turn on the pic). PS: Most car clubs dis-allow the Z4 at VIR so I can't give you my real opinion or experience of its DCT on track. But on a REAL twisty road such as the Tail of the Dragon, you can't beat the DCT. I DARE anyone this side of Auberlen to shift a 6MT as many times on the 318 curves as you can with the DCT and paddles.
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| 01-07-2012, 01:52 PM | #24 | |
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| 01-07-2012, 01:58 PM | #25 | |
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| 01-07-2012, 04:02 PM | #26 |
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Oh by the way, this ought to bring out the comments:
2007 Z4 M Coupe 3:11.7 2012 Z4 35is 3:10.4 Despite similar HP, DCT, Runflats, extra weight, understeer, and all, the Z4 is 1.3 seconds quicker!
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| 01-07-2012, 04:42 PM | #27 |
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OK for those of you who want the word for word review of the Z435is and the 335is DCT -vs- DCT from the C&D Lightning Lap.
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| 01-07-2012, 05:14 PM | #28 |
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This is the Corvette ZR-1 C&D lap. A fun but challenging race track:
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| 01-07-2012, 05:43 PM | #29 | |
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| 01-07-2012, 06:46 PM | #30 |
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Thank you for that, HerrK. I'm halfway wanting to say to C&D "you're doing it wrong.". I'd guess a different driver, at least somebody more familiar with the Z4 DCT, may yield a different result.
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| 01-07-2012, 07:51 PM | #31 |
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As I have always said - get some proper Non-RFT tires on the Z4, ECU re-flash and suspension upgrade and you will have one very capable machine for relatively little outlay.
Add to this the DCT, which is a very nice transmission. The times vs the old Z4 M are very encouraging haha! |
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| 01-07-2012, 09:19 PM | #32 | |
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As fas as the magazine article is concerned, I've always felt C&D was a bottom feeder right along with Motor Trend.
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| 01-07-2012, 09:59 PM | #33 |
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Oh my. Apples and oranges comparison. Where the rubber meets the road is more than an old adage. The tires, their care and feeding, and not a transmission type will make the largest influence on lap times. The 335is and Z4 35is were probably in the minority with RFTs. Few racing venues are without spec-tires even when multiple brands are allowed to remove that variable and level the playing field for the sake of competition. Silly to put street legal cars on a race track anyhow.
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| 01-08-2012, 02:10 AM | #34 |
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but....early 90ies ferrari used sequential like bmw smg, developed both by magneti marelli...not double clutch system.....
6mt or dct or whatever...this imho looks like a thread generated/degenerated by people having the keys of the car more time near the mouse of their pc than inside that famous hole in the dash that makes the engine turn on... 2 more things: sometimes dct gearbox have a ecu management that avoid downshift near the redline or avoid that you can do(at your own risk) with a MT...and this can make the difference during magazine and track tests.let the magazine testers get used to this dct for more mileage and truth will come out.... then track times worth someting if you use a car for track days or racers.... in the real life I struggle to find here in italy a single moment when you can use gearbox performance at 100%..... in the track world the gap between 1M and 35is can be considered a lot of time....in the real world I think it is another story........ Francesco |
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| 01-08-2012, 03:07 AM | #35 | |
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Oh no! I bought a dog. My car is useless. I should go to the garage right now and set it on fire.
 But wait. Thats right. I have lived in ignorant bliss with the car for 18 months now. How can that be? Maybe it is because the car does what I need it to really really well? If I drive a race car for a living I would have bought a race car as my DD. Turns out I have to drive to work each day on public roads with pesky laws and vigilant police.  My DCT 35is operates in that environment with applomb and never fails to provide a smile on my face and give joy (and jealous thoughts) to many of my fellow road patrons. Its time to stop the fighting.  I dream of a world and a website where people buy what they like and dont feel the need to tell others they have bought the wrong thing. Call me an idealist. Quote:
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| 01-08-2012, 03:12 AM | #36 | |
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| 01-08-2012, 03:42 AM | #37 | |
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| 01-08-2012, 09:04 AM | #38 | |
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| 01-08-2012, 11:08 AM | #41 |
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definitely not my experience with the DCT.. He might not even be in manual mode for all we care. Also with the lack of LSD, you want to be in a higher gear so your inside tire doesn't spin and you can better manage trail brake through the turns. Also not sure if they ran VIR with the top up or down since there is a HUGE difference in aerodynamics and handling.
I would love to see the pyro reading on the RFTs. Even though they suck, after dropping over 6lbs of tire pressure from stock, the were manageable and broke away predictably.   |
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| 01-08-2012, 11:10 AM | #42 | |
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why is it silly to put street legal cars on a race track??
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| 01-08-2012, 11:15 AM | #43 | |
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| 01-08-2012, 12:06 PM | #44 |
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Testing a car at the track with runflat tires is just silly. I bet the non RFT I put on my Z4 would be worth a full second on that track.
To second some of the opinions in there, at the car wash yesterday the guys were all over my cat pampering it, and when I picked it up I was told "wow, that's one sexy car!" Don't think I'd get this for many of the other cars in that test. In real life that's worth at least 2 seconds!
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