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      05-11-2017, 12:39 PM   #45
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The AMG GT R is faster round the Nurburgring than the 911 GT 3 RS...

Oh, and it's also faster than the 918 Spyder round the Ring...

So the AMG GT cant be all that bad
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(Standard Model List) / (AMG/ RS/ M) variants below.
A Class = Audi A1 = BMW 1 series
CLA class = audi A3 = bmw 2 series
C class = audi A4 = bmw 3 series
C Coupe/Convert = Audi A5 = bmw 4 series
E class = audi a6 = bmw 5 series
CLS Class= Audi A7 = 6 series GC = 8 Series GC
GLA Class = Audi Q2 = BMW X1
GLC CLASS = Audi Q5 = BMW X3
GLC Coupe Class = No Audi Variant = BMW X4
GLE = Audi Q7 = BMW X5
GLE Coupe = No audi variant = BMW X6
G Class = No Audi or BMW variant
GLS class = Upcoming Audi Q8 = Upcoming BMW X7
S class = audi A8 = BMW 7 series
S coupe class = No Audi Variant = 8 series coupe
S convert class = no audi variant = 8 series convertible
SL = R8 Spyder? = Next Gen 6 series/ M6
SLC class = audi TT = next gen bmw Z4
AMG GT = Audi R8 = next gen M6 (alleged 911 competitor)
---------------------------------------------- (AMG/ RS/ M list)
Mercedes A45 AMG = Audi RS3 Sportback = no bmw variant
Mercedes CLA45 AMG = Audi RS3 Sedan = BMW M2
Mercedes C63S Avant = RS4 avant = no bmw variant
Mercedes C63S Sedan = No Audi Variant or upcoming RS5 Sportback = BMW M3
C63S Coupe/ convertible = Audi RS5 Coupe Convertible = BMW M4 Coupe/ Convertible
E63S Sedan = No Audi Variant = BMW M5
E63S station wagon = Audi RS6 Avant = No BMW Variant
CLS63 AMG = Audi RS7 = BMW M6 GC
G63 AMG = no audi and bmw variant
GLA45 amg = Audi RSQ3 = no bmw variant
GLE63 and coupe = no audi variant = BMW X5M and X6M
GLC 63 And coupe = upcoming RSQ5 = upcoming BMW X3M/ X4M
GLS63 = Audi Q8 = BMW X7
S63 Sedan and coupe and convertible = Audi S8 Sedan no coupe variant = No BMW variant
SL63 AMG = no audi variant = BMW M6 convertible = bmw M8 convertible
AMG GT Coupe/ Convertible = audi R8 Coupe/ Convertible = Upcoming M6 Coupe/ Convertible
- The A1 it's not an A class/1 Series competitor, it's a lot smaller
- The CLA is a total different segment from the 2 series, here in Europe we have even the CLA Wagon...
Yes different bodystyles with similar performance
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Its crap and will probably break in the the first couple of months and will have 3848283838 Problems and recalls also its no faster than a GT3 RS because the 7:20 time of the RS is just a speculation and the 991.2 GT3 lapped the ring in 7:12, thats just a warning for mercedes that they can and will break the GTRS 7:11 time with either the 991.2 GT3 And the 991.2 GT3 RS and the upcoming GT2 and GT2 RS and how is it faster than the 918 while the 918 lapped the ring in 6:57? If you're talking about the magazines time it's irrelevant. Mercedes is crap and will always be crap with their shit mct transmissions and their heavy ass chassises and crap quality like ffs the C63S amg weighs 1950 while the M4 weighs 1550 kilos. Thats M5 weight in the C63. Shows how crap mercedes is.
No offense, but how old are you? 12? Your profile says you own an S63 but you're knocking Mercedes and calling it crap. Your comparison of the C63S leads me to believe that you've never driven one. Today more than ever AMG is producing cars that match or beat BMW M cars in almost every aspect. Your opinion is one thing, but you provide no real evidence so it has zero credibility. The interior materials/craftmanship and fit/finish of the newer Benz's put them in a league of their own. The MCT isn't crap, I have no idea where you're getting your info from.

That said I'm a die hard BMW fan and continue to buy their products based on that alone. But even for guys like me, its not difficult to see the competitions has caught up and has an fantastic formula. One could say they may even be beating BMW at their own game.
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Excited for the reveal but hoping they drew inspiration from its predecessor.

The last E31 8-series was a special car (V12+6MT!) and a thing of beauty...





...and led to an interesting experiment by M-engineers that almost spawned the fabled "M8".





Still, I also love the 6-series line, name, and history.
Hoping BMW finds a suitable spot in its lineup for the 6er's next incarnation.
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100%. Looks conti GT to me
or a huge 4 series...
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Just going to try to add my 2 cents:

S Maybach = RR (Ghost?)
CLS = 6 Grand Coupe
S = 7
S Class Coupe=8 series
CLE (only a matter of time) = 6 (now ?)
E = 5
C Coupe (rename to CLC imminent?) = 4
C = 3
CLA = 2, and 1 series sedan
A = 1
GLS = X7 (?)
GLE Coupe = X6
GLE = X5
GLC Coupe = X4
GLC = X3
GLA Coupe (only a matter of time surely) = X2 (again, only a matter of time surely)
GLA = X1

I'm sure I missed a few.


EDIT: Forgot the most glaring hole
AMG GT = ??? (i8 doesn't count, as nice as it is)
Just added to the S Class Coupe, CLS, and CLA part.
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Ok so correct me if I'm wrong, and help fill in the gaps:

S=7
S Coupe= 8
E=5
C=3
CLA=2
ML=X
GL=X8 (when they decide to make one)
SL=Merc is killing this model
CLS=6er Gran Coupe is still in production
AMG GT=
There you go.
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Excited for the reveal but hoping they drew inspiration from its predecessor.

The last E31 8-series was a special car (V12+6MT!) and a thing of beauty...





Still, I also love the 6-series line, name, and history.
Hoping BMW finds a suitable spot in its lineup for the 6er's next incarnation.
850 is if you need a lift...
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Looks nice. Is this 100 percent an s coupe rival?

Anyway, I hope it will get new interior, not from the 3.
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Its crap and will probably break in the the first couple of months and will have 3848283838 Problems and recalls also its no faster than a GT3 RS because the 7:20 time of the RS is just a speculation and the 991.2 GT3 lapped the ring in 7:12, thats just a warning for mercedes that they can and will break the GTRS 7:11 time with either the 991.2 GT3 And the 991.2 GT3 RS and the upcoming GT2 and GT2 RS and how is it faster than the 918 while the 918 lapped the ring in 6:57? If you're talking about the magazines time it's irrelevant. Mercedes is crap and will always be crap with their shit mct transmissions and their heavy ass chassises and crap quality like ffs the C63S amg weighs 1950 while the M4 weighs 1550 kilos. Thats M5 weight in the C63. Shows how crap mercedes is.
ya rayal, madri wsh tgool.......maynoon, 9dj.

mercedes is not crap. yes, the c63s coupe weighs 1857kg, the m4 weighs 1572kg to be exact. the c63s sedan weighs 1749 kg. but youre comparing a 444 hp/406 ft-lb torque 6-cylinder with a 503 hp/516 ft-lb torque 8-cylinder engined car....that extra weight would give you better traction on a car putting out more than 100+ ft-lb more of torque. so the weight point needs to be taken in the overall context of the car. it's not like you're comparing two 6-cylinder cars putting out about the same amount of torque/hp. if you were then you could compare the weight of the two and say mercedes is crap. the mct is not "shit" as you claim. the shifting on it is pretty quick/very little noticeable lag if any at all.

i'd buy the c63s any day over the m4, even for the sole reason that it doesnt sound as richard hammond so elequently put it, "like a fart in bathwater" like the m4's sound these days. sayara 9otha k2anha tt6ag3. exhaust zbala.

if you were comparing the e92/e93 m3's, those things were beauties. but bmw went from making a badass german track & muscle car, to a car that is "more fuel efficient" but sounds like garbage. give me the v8 from the e9x series m3's any day.

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- The A1 it's not an A class/1 Series competitor, it's a lot smaller
- The CLA is a total different segment from the 2 series, here in Europe we have even the CLA Wagon...
And the Audi Q8 is in the same category as the BMW X6 and GLE Coupe, not X7 and GLS.
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lol I had to, probably top 5 favorite lines in any movie

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Its crap and will probably break in the the first couple of months and will have 3848283838 Problems and recalls also its no faster than a GT3 RS because the 7:20 time of the RS is just a speculation and the 991.2 GT3 lapped the ring in 7:12, thats just a warning for mercedes that they can and will break the GTRS 7:11 time with either the 991.2 GT3 And the 991.2 GT3 RS and the upcoming GT2 and GT2 RS and how is it faster than the 918 while the 918 lapped the ring in 6:57? If you're talking about the magazines time it's irrelevant. Mercedes is crap and will always be crap with their shit mct transmissions and their heavy ass chassises and crap quality like ffs the C63S amg weighs 1950 while the M4 weighs 1550 kilos. Thats M5 weight in the C63. Shows how crap mercedes is.
No offense, but how old are you? 12? Your profile says you own an S63 but you're knocking Mercedes and calling it crap. Your comparison of the C63S leads me to believe that you've never driven one. Today more than ever AMG is producing cars that match or beat BMW M cars in almost every aspect. Your opinion is one thing, but you provide no real evidence so it has zero credibility. The interior materials/craftmanship and fit/finish of the newer Benz's put them in a league of their own. The MCT isn't crap, I have no idea where you're getting your info from.

That said I'm a die hard BMW fan and continue to buy their products based on that alone. But even for guys like me, its not difficult to see the competitions has caught up and has an fantastic formula. One could say they may even be beating BMW at their own game.
My S63s transmission got replaced twice and i had a turbo failure. Its a slow ass transmission and a shit brand. Ive driven a C63S and i have an M3 on order. Every comparison states that the M is better than the AMG, check evos comparo between the M3 and c63S they say its handles better and lighter while the chassis is way better than the amgs, they also compare M's DCT to the PDK and ferraris DCT. Again shows how crap mercedes is and how bmw makes their drivers cars a drivers car unlike mercedes who badged up a c class with amg badges and called it a day. If im buying a sports car im buying because its sporty not because i want luxury, if i wanted luxury i will buy a C450 or a 440i. Also my S63 is going once my M3 arrives.
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Its crap and will probably break in the the first couple of months and will have 3848283838 Problems and recalls also its no faster than a GT3 RS because the 7:20 time of the RS is just a speculation and the 991.2 GT3 lapped the ring in 7:12, thats just a warning for mercedes that they can and will break the GTRS 7:11 time with either the 991.2 GT3 And the 991.2 GT3 RS and the upcoming GT2 and GT2 RS and how is it faster than the 918 while the 918 lapped the ring in 6:57? If you're talking about the magazines time it's irrelevant. Mercedes is crap and will always be crap with their shit mct transmissions and their heavy ass chassises and crap quality like ffs the C63S amg weighs 1950 while the M4 weighs 1550 kilos. Thats M5 weight in the C63. Shows how crap mercedes is.
ya rayal, madri wsh tgool.......maynoon, 9dj.

mercedes is not crap. yes, the c63s coupe weighs 1857kg, the m4 weighs 1572kg to be exact. the c63s sedan weighs 1749 kg. but youre comparing a 444 hp/406 ft-lb torque 6-cylinder with a 503 hp/516 ft-lb torque 8-cylinder engined car....that extra weight would give you better traction on a car putting out more than 100+ ft-lb more of torque. so the weight point needs to be taken in the overall context of the car. it's not like you're comparing two 6-cylinder cars putting out about the same amount of torque/hp. if you were then you could compare the weight of the two and say mercedes is crap. the mct is not "shit" as you claim. the shifting on it is pretty quick/very little noticeable lag if any at all.

i'd buy the c63s any day over the m4, even for the sole reason that it doesnt sound as richard hammond so elequently put it, "like a fart in bathwater" like the m4's sound these days. sayara 9otha k2anha tt6ag3. exhaust zbala.

if you were comparing the e92/e93 m3's, those things were beauties. but bmw went from making a badass german track & muscle car, to a car that is "more fuel efficient" but sounds like garbage. give me the v8 from the e9x series m3's any day.

3ndi so2al lk, ent mt9w3?
amgs are famous in the GCC Area, while M isn't because all people care about are V8s. At the end of the day im not buying a car with a V8 to show off but rather im a buying a drivers car. Also the F8x platfroms exhaust are not zbaalah but rather better than a Turbo V8. (Subjective opinion) also mercedes has more torque and power than the M4 to cover their heavy ass weight. Power is not everything but rather balance.
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5 series coupe is 6 which they just discontinued
I understand the 6 underpins the 5 and now the 6 coupe is no longer in production. What we were saying is that there is still room for an E class coupe competitor and the cheap way of going at it would be to just give us a 2 door 5 as we have seen with the 3 & 4.
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- The A1 it's not an A class/1 Series competitor, it's a lot smaller
- The CLA is a total different segment from the 2 series, here in Europe we have even the CLA Wagon...
And the Audi Q8 is in the same category as the BMW X6 and GLE Coupe, not X7 and GLS.
I think you mean Q7 but theres no coupe variant from that
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Just added to the S Class Coupe, CLS, and CLA part.
Cheers for that. Going through that exercise reminded me how confusing Merc's current model naming is.

If you take their SUVs, it sort of makes sense where the SUV E class is the GLE, the SUV S the GLS, then the GLC and GLA and whatever else.
The coupaloon of the A is appropriately enough called the CLA. The coupaloon E? That'd be the CLS. The previous E coupe? That was the CLK. The roadster C? Oh, that was the SLK. The E SUV? That used to be the ML.

In all of this confusion, I somehow got to the incorrect conclusion that the new S Coupe must be the CLS (especially seeing as it used to be the CL previously), which of course is actually the coupaloon version of the E...

People can say what they want about BMW's naming convention these days with the sDrive and xDrive and whatnot, but it somehow just makes more sense with the number preceding it (i.e. 1 to 7 and soon 8).

Anyway, my rant's at an end. Thanks again for correcting it
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There you go.
False. The R233 SL mule is being tested with an AMG GT platform and an S coupe shell right now and will be out by the end of the decade. It's being designed from the ground up by AMG and will probably have a coupe version with small backseats as well.

IMHO they're probably replacing the SL and GT with this R233 in order to compete directly with the 911 all the way from SL400 vs base 911 to SL63s vs 911 turbo S, with a V12 model for vanity.

Edit: I despise soft tops but I guess I'll make an exception and replace my SL63 with the M8 vert if they decide to make one. This 8 series is going to eat the S-class's lunch. I still have faith in BMW

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I understand the 6 underpins the 5 and now the 6 coupe is no longer in production. What we were saying is that there is still room for an E class coupe competitor and the cheap way of going at it would be to just give us a 2 door 5 as we have seen with the 3 & 4.
Yes there is potentially as much room between 4er and 8er as there is between 3er and 7er. However the 2 door coupé market overall is shrinking globally and seems to polarize towards either large luxury / GT coupés (Bentley, Aston Martin...) or smaller, sportier and significantly more affordable coupés from the C and D segments (2er, 4er, C Coupé, A5...). In the middle, that intermediary E segment seems to generate the least demand for coupés and pretty much only has the E Class Coupé remaining. Mercedes can afford staying on this difficult segment because they have the legitimacy of their long and glorious coupé history, Audi never seemed to bother to launch à 2 door A7, and BMW seemingly has plans to drop the 6er = 5er coupé idea and focus on something different instead. Which would be a shame if confirmed, but again there just doesn't seem to exist enough demand at this point.

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this is false

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The AMG GT R is faster round the Nurburgring than the 911 GT 3 RS...

Oh, and it's also faster than the 918 Spyder round the Ring...

So the AMG GT cant be all that bad
It's a moot point too because I seriously doubt BMW will ever produce anything that'll close the gap to either of those cars.

https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

Not that it matters in the real world, but hey it's the image of the brand at the end of the day and that will affect some people's choices.
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