Jalopnik calls BMW engines "Gigantic Pieces Of S***"

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

Because I have one now and had 335 and M3

I am just not a fan boy and I know BMW makes some shitty reliability cars. It's a fact.

Sorry you have had such bad luck. I have owned 18 BMWs and never had an unreliable one. Just lucky, I guess.

I don't understand why people that think they are so unreliable would keep buying them.

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Sorry you have had such bad luck. I have owned 18 BMWs and never had an unreliable one. Just lucky, I guess.

I don't understand why people that think they are so unreliable would keep buying them.

I don't believe that for a second, no offense. I heard all those bs stories before. Post here when you don't change 1 thing in a motor, transmission, or electronics in 200k+ miles and run on original clutch

I've spent $100 bucks on my S2000 in 80k miles in and out of warranty work. Buddy of mine replaced shocks and 2 control arms on his at 190k miles, everything else is original

[Beartato]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

I don't believe that for a second, no offense. I heard all those bs stories before. Post here when you don't change 1 thing in a motor, transmission, or electronics in 200k+ miles and run on original clutch

I've spent $100 bucks on my S2000 in 80k miles in and out of warranty work. Buddy of mine replaced shocks and 2 control arms on his at 190k miles, everything else is original

I don't believe that for a second, no offense. I heard all those bs stories before. Post here when you don't change 1 thing in a motor, transmission, or electronics in 200k+ miles and run on the original clutch on any car ever.

[Alan l.]

apples to oranges.

Engines nowadays makes so much more HP and TQ and have to do so while meeting super strict emission regulations. Cars now have to be more fuel efficient and one way to do it is to cut down on weight but cars are also getting bigger and bigger at the same time so something's gotta give. The amount of stress a 240hp naturally aspirated motor isn't going to be anywhere near what most force induction engines are going through. Engine designers are forced to make more with less of everything. Less weight, less cylinders, less gas etc...

Granted all the rod bearing failures is no excuse on BMW part. Something like that should not happen with the name of your company has Motor in it.

Alan

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

I don't believe that for a second, no offense. I heard all those bs stories before. Post here when you don't change 1 thing in a motor, transmission, or electronics in 200k+ miles and run on original clutch

I've spent $100 bucks on my S2000 in 80k miles in and out of warranty work. Buddy of mine replaced shocks and 2 control arms on his at 190k miles, everything else is original

I really don't appreciate being called a liar.

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by Alan l.

apples to oranges.

Engines nowadays makes so much more HP and TQ and have to do so while meeting super strict emission regulations. Cars now have to be more fuel efficient and one way to do it is to cut down on weight but cars are also getting bigger and bigger at the same time so something's gotta give. The amount of stress a 240hp naturally aspirated motor isn't going to be anywhere near what most force induction engines are going through. Engine designers are forced to make more with less of everything. Less weight, less cylinders, less gas etc...

Granted all the rod bearing failures is no excuse on BMW part. Something like that should not happen with the name of your company has Motor in it.

Alan

That's true, but BMW NA i6 engines are not that reliable either (ateast the more current ones)

There are relatively new Lexuses with 1 million miles lol and Toyota Supra with 500k miles. Now that's engineering

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

I really don't appreciate being called a liar.

It's just a forum.....I really did go through all this bs with Porsche owners

Car is super reliable....well it has 10k miles only
Car is super reliable.....well besides bunch of warranty work
Car is super reliable....I just had to replace an engine
Car is super reliable.....just did coils, water pump, all seals, bunch of sensors...but engine is ok
Car is super reliable..... previous owner took care of most things
Etc etc etc....

In my book reliable car is when you spend near 0 dollars for first 100-150k miles and just a small amount of money for the next 100k miles.

When all S engine have clear issues, when water pumps are made of plastic, when 335i is named the least reliable BMW ever, when people say that BMW seals are pure junk that always leak with miles, when forum is filled with HPFP and turbo issues....yeah that's not a reliable brand at all.

Edit: and sure if all your BMWs are made in 1960s and 70s, maybe they are reliable. Or maybe you have a more recent M3 with 50k that happened to be somewhat reliable, but having one thats not falling apart at 200k miles....well let's just say its like winning a lottery

[kprocivic]

I can only lol as he is serious.

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by kprocivic

I can only lol as he is serious.

I can also lol, and I can provide you with none fanboy facts

[Beartato]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

When all S engine have clear issues, when water pumps are made of plastic, when 335i is named the least reliable BMW ever, when people say that BMW seals are pure junk that always leak with miles, when forum is filled with HPFP and turbo issues....yeah that's not a reliable brand at all.

Go to any car forum and it'll warp your perception of the car or cars of its subject. People are always ready to complain and post issues with their cars. Imagine a forum filled with "car is running great" threads.

[FogCityM3]

Think there's truth to the article, notwithstanding the click-bait attention grabbing headline. Aside from the rod-bearing problem, one can't say say the E9x M3s are reliable with throttle-actuator issues, sensors going out all the time, evaporator leaks/replacements, differential bolt snapping, among some of the more common items.

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by Beartato

Go to any car forum and it'll warp your perception of the car or cars of its subject. People are always ready to complain and post issues with their cars. Imagine a forum filled with "car is running great" threads.

Supra, NSX, S2000, ISF, Type-R those cars have zero issues. On 2004+ S2000s Honda even made valve retainers so strong that you can money shift and still have zero issues. Car can rev to 11000 rpms as far as I know.

There are tracked Supras and S2000s with close to half a million miles. Boosted S2000s are more reliable then many NA high performance cars, some Porsche owners prefer them for track due to reliability over Caymans and 911s

[kprocivic]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

Supra, NSX, S2000, ISF, Type-R those cars have zero issues. On 2004+ S2000s Honda even made valve retainers so strong that you can money shift and still have zero issues. Car can rev to 11000 rpms as far as I know.

you may need to go research the nsx.

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by kprocivic

you may need to go research the nsx.

I know that here and there first year production cars have some none serious issues, they've been fixed.

Point is, you don't buy BMW for reliability, that goes to Japanese cars regardless if its just a Civic/Corolla or S2000/ISF

[Kolyan2k]

Ps. I wanted ISF not BMW, they are hard to find and cost shit lots of money due to reliability. I have M235i and hoping that the most recent revision of N54/55 line is finally reliable and can last 100k miles with no repairs. In 2014 BMW finally changed oil intervals to 10k, 15k was a disaster.

I sad it in a different thread, Ive been watching foreign YouTube channel on cars. BMW techs said they see many BMW engines fail before 40-50k miles due to poor design and long oil change intervals.....of course fuel and hours in traffic benefit to most issues too.

[kprocivic]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

I know that here and there first year production cars have some none serious issues, they've been fixed.

Point is, you don't buy BMW for reliability, that goes to Japanese cars regardless if its just a Civic/Corolla or S2000/ISF

I'm almost 100 percent this is what we are trying to say. Just like you don't buy Japanese cars to be performance titans.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Beartato

Go to any car forum and it'll warp your perception of the car or cars of its subject. People are always ready to complain and post issues with their cars. Imagine a forum filled with "car is running great" threads.

Most of my threads on my car are exactly that...

[Delta0311]

Jalopnik is like a bitter ex girlfriend who's also bi-polar. One day she can't get off your dick the next day she's on Facebook claiming your shits too small. Same thing with them. I can bring up articles where they practically gagging on BMWs dick because they are sucking it so damn hard.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by kprocivic

I'm almost 100 percent this is what we are trying to say. Just like you don't buy Japanese cars to be performance titans.

Jap cars are shit too. When my chick had a long commute she was using the beater 08 Civic. The car was built so cheap that when she slightly curbed the front bumper it came right off. The paint was coming off the roof by like 2013. I mean are you fucking serious!!! In this day and age you can't fucking mix the paint right? I see plenty of civics form that year with the same issue.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

^I think there are a lot of modern engines from different makes that have similar problems.

Truth.

Is anybody making engines with the longevity they used to in the pre-internet age? I suppose maybe there are a few, but in a disposable society where the average lifespan of consumer goods is just long enough for the ads to run their cycle on Facebook, this is what we have now as our reality.

Oh and remember, your grandpa thinks that everything built after 1960 is s***, so this phenomena is nothing new. The difference I guess is that I feel like I can still chop wood as good as my elders, while whiny Millenials are just whiny aren't they?

[Kolyan2k]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Jap cars are shit too. When my chick had a long commute she was using the beater 08 Civic. The car was built so cheap that when she slightly curbed the front bumper it came right off. The paint was coming off the roof by like 2013. I mean are you fucking serious!!! In this day and age you can't fucking mix the paint right? I see plenty of civics form that year with the same issue.

Had 07 with 90k miles. They have 1 issue and its the starter thats known to fail, cost $400-500 bucks because you are forced to take it to close by mechanical. That's the only issue I had, all paint was fixed under recall by the way.

It's not that Jap cars dont break.... period (some don't at all), but their issues are very predictable. On a good car you can spend 0-500 bucks to get it to 100-150k miles, and maybe another 500-1000 bucks to 200-250k miles because some suspension parts start to go etc. On M3 water pump failed, oil temp sensor, and seals leaked oil before 40k miles. 335i had new turbos by 40k miles.....and it's not just BMW, other German manufacturers been making piss poor engines too.

[doogee]

Originally Posted by Kolyan2k

I've spent $100 bucks on my S2000 in 80k miles in and out of warranty work.

But at the end of the day, you're still driving a slow Honda.