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      02-19-2014, 03:03 PM   #67
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I guess your misunderstanding what this thread is about. Many of us here feel that there are more and more models being released every year. We find that the system that they had 5 years ago which had a few models was better than having 15 new models like it is now. We also feel that they should be focussing on perfecting cars instead of releasing more models.

That's just my opinion. You entitled to yours but you have an option to not read this thread.
And my question to you is so what? How does that affect you in any way at all? IMHO, it's just as ridiculous as people arguing about the M4 name over 30 pages.

Also, releasing more variants on the same platform means they are offer more niche markets at a relatively low R&D cost. My point is, if it means selling those GT cars (which I have 0 interest in), but are able to make the M cars better, then I'm all for it.

Now if the ///M cars come out and they are no good, then it's a whole different story.
Were on the same page bud, I have noticed they are producing nice M cars along with non M cars but I don't see the need for certain models. It doesn't affect me at all with what I do on a daily basis but I would rather see less models on the roads.
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      02-19-2014, 03:36 PM   #68
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If the F80 can't hang with the 991 S around a race track then I'll start griping.. until then.. I'm good with however many FWD minivans, gran turismo hatchbacks and gran coupe sedans it takes to keep the cash coming for the niche toys
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      02-19-2014, 08:01 PM   #69
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theres a business. even Porsche makes suv now
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why do you think so many BMW people are going to Porsche
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      02-19-2014, 11:14 PM   #71
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theres a business. even Porsche makes suv now
... product differentiation and product line growth (in models offered) are tactics in the business world to defend/secure market share from competitors.
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      02-26-2014, 03:14 PM   #72
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Market share...

BMW bulked up on cash reserves over the past two periods of near consecutive economic downturn. The company began to sense a few years ago that the recession would end in late 2014 or early 15, and that consumer should break out of their shells to buy a wide range of the BMW offerings.
The decisions that BMW has made at the macro level were to invest in capital improvements to support the new vehicle lines which would ultimately result in greater market share.
That said, the recent introductions of modifications in their coupes and sedans is definitely paying off. The release of the new SUVs is a real gamble as buyers may find it hard to distinguish among all of the different models.
Finally, BMW is just dipping its toe into the water in the i-cars. It needs to establish a broader logistical support structure in charging stations to be competitive in the i-car market.
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      02-26-2014, 05:18 PM   #73
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BMW changed the naming scheme to make even numbers (2,4,6) the coupes yet they have a 4 and 6 series gran coupe. So they specifically change the numbers to make a different name for coupes and sedans then make a 4 series 4 door which defeats the whole purpose of the new naming structure. Plus now they are sticking M badges on the back of non-M vehicles. BMW is losing their minds.
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      02-27-2014, 05:06 AM   #74
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Actually I think it is a good thing. For each it owns. I don't like the way a Z3 (and Z3M) looks. I really like the X6 (and X1, not such a fan of the X3 and X5).
A lot of people disagree and love the Z3M or the think the X5 is very nice but they don't know what the heel a X6 should be.

I don't understand people, they get a bigger choice and then they complain.
People putting on M kits on a 320d but BMW can't make a (fake M if you want to call it like that) M135i?

People have different reasons to go for a Porsche instead of a BMW (or the way around) but when you are saying Porsche doesn't have a lot of models out and/or is more exclusive.... pfff.... who you are kidding?
I can image Porsche owners complaining on a Porsche forum about the Panama and Cayenne.

You guy's gonna have a heart attack when BMW brings out a van, hahaha.
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      02-27-2014, 05:23 AM   #75
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On a side note.
Do you guy's still remember the 3 compact?
A friend had one back in the days. Full of M badges because he had the M kit options but it was a 316d.

If you don't like it, then don't look at it, if it is your own car, then de-badge it.



Rather complain at stuff that matters.

More choice/flexibility in putting your option together.
I love the M bumpers but I don't like the red or blue finish in the car that comes with it. When you change the color of the leather then you don't need the aluminum parts to go wood finish etc.

Cheap materials of the lower segment and the noise that comes with it.
It is almost normal that a 5 series is much better then a 1 serie bu a 1 serie of 30k euro should be better as a Peugeot of 15k euro right.

When you go to a dealer with the complaint then you get the answer:
Yes sir, but it is because you have a 1 serie, then you should go for a 3.
Same thing goos for other brands like MB but then again, here you could make a change where you will benefit from in the long term.
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      02-27-2014, 06:29 AM   #76
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I think BMW needs a dozen more models before they will have a Z4 M Coupé and an R8 / SLC rival.
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They're also producing fewer options -- for USA:

320x with manual transmission? Nope.
328x with manual transmission? Gone.
3-series touring with manual transmission? Gone.
428x with manual transmission? Nope.
Any 5-series with manual transmission? Gone.
5-series touring? Gone. The "GT" is not a touring -- and it's 700 lbs heavier than a 528i. Weighs more than my dad's old '67 Cadillac Coupe deVille.
What is the reason for having country specific limitations as you mention above? If I get fries at McD. I shouln't get ketchup cause I live in country X?
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      02-28-2014, 04:53 AM   #78
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there is never enough BMW..but here in Beverly Hills..is seeing the 600 Mercedes a lot...they can keep it...give me the M235i...and I will be one happy camper that saved $$$$$$$$ money too...love BMW
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      02-28-2014, 12:25 PM   #79
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speaking of porsche, i haven't been keeping up and recently went to build an m3 on bmwusa only to find there was none... i was shocked and was a lil upset. i had to research why. within an hour i found myself doing builds on porsche's site.
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and now we have the 8 series coming out..wouldnt be surprised if the 9 came out soon...
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      03-15-2018, 04:51 PM   #81
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I guess with parts sharing, modular engines and platforms and all that jazz companies can choose to churn out however many models and not spend much on development.

For the consumer I suppose it's good to have choices on what body you like. X1 or X2?
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and now we have the 8 series coming out..wouldnt be surprised if the 9 came out soon...
BMW made a 8 series during the 90's
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I also think it's too much. Better have fewer models than such a large number, when people can't even recognize them properly. At least this is what I think.
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Not only that, have you seen this one yet? WTF are you doing, BMW? Turning into Kia?


i3.
lol. Funny thing is people in Europe love these type of cars. I see them everywhere. The parking spaces in the European metropolitan area is a nightmare. Sometimes I don't even know how I fit my F80 in these parking garages.
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      03-16-2018, 07:57 AM   #85
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Audi folks moved in, just look at the M division and the man in charge an Audi guy behind the 1st AWD M5, and M at all levels., what the hell.
Looking at the design, it is just like Audi now, one fit for all, you just have to decide on the size.
I also beleive quantity never helped quality, it is certanly our experience with our BM's no longer as solid as they use to be.
Shame the brand use to be specific, controled by engeneers, now Marketing in charge.
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I like that they have different models. Some drivers are too specific to what they want and BMW does the best it can to make them. Like, who else offers a 4 seater with manual transmission, 6 cylinders and RWD for less than $50k?

2 series is by far my favorite
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One of the reasons why resale is so low.
I'm hating that. Right now a 2007 S4 is worth way more then a 2007 335.

Owning and working on Audi's and BMW'S I can easily say the bimmer has a MUCH high build quality. The modern Audi's are nothing but a VW with a bit more plastic on them.

That and owning a B7 S4 is suicide. The 4.2 V8 is complete crap, the timing chains are prone to catastrophic failire. It makes the N54 look like the best motor ever built.
Euro timing chains seem to be more problematic than other brands. Chains on Japanese cars are indestructible as they should be. Euro chains last as long as a timing belt lol. That being said 6 cylinder Honda's and Acura's still have timing belts. The move by Honda to phase out all 6 cylinders will finally bring them into the 21st century.
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