exhaust setup question

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Not talking about OEM vs aftermkt but rather the Z4 getting lousier in-house parts vs certain 1 or 3 series despite costing way more.

But its not... the 1M cats are the same as the E89, 35i/35is/1M/335is N54 have the same engine part numbers.. E89 uses the same DCT as M3... etc etc

There are some gaps like cooling, and there is no LSD like all other non M cars but other than that, E89 is not getting short changed in the parts bin

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

But its not... the 1M cats are the same as the E89, 35i/35is/1M/335is N54 have the same engine part numbers.. E89 uses the same DCT as M3... etc etc

There are some gaps like cooling, and there is no LSD like all other non M cars but other than that, E89 is not getting short changed in the parts bin

What I actually meant is that the cheaper models share most of our goodies like the N54 along w/ same, similar or better tweaks/parts. For what we pay, there should be a lot more goodies, look at the idrive even, that's 1 step behind, isn't it? There's a theme here. Anyway, obviously we didn't get the Z4 as a 'value for $' proposition.

[Asbjorn]

Originally Posted by tranquility

look at the idrive even, that's 1 step behind, isn't it?

The fact that the screen folds away so neatly makes it one of the most future-proof iDrive systems ever made by BMW. It is just a matter of years before the current-gen iDrive systems start to look outdated.

This is also why we should be happy we got an "analog" climate control interface as well as those three-dimensional curvy analog speedo/rev counters instead of the flat half/full LCD ones.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by tranquility

What I actually meant is that the cheaper models share most of our goodies like the N54 along w/ same, similar or better tweaks/parts. For what we pay, there should be a lot more goodies, look at the idrive even, that's 1 step behind, isn't it? There's a theme here. Anyway, obviously we didn't get the Z4 as a 'value for $' proposition.

If you check out truecar.com right now and look at 435 convertible vs. Z435 with similar equipment (msport package + tech package) the Z4 is actually cheaper due to higher discounting. (Maybe outside US its a lot different...)

Apparently there is also 73% residual right now so the leases on Z4 should be very strong deals.

This is pretty much the same thing I've seen since 2012, where new car price, lease price, used resale price for Z4 are similar (or less) to the equivalent 3 or 4 series models.

Personally, I think Z435 is a great deal for a new car since its the only one left with N54 and only non M model with DCT. and it looks pretty good...

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by Asbjorn

The fact that the screen folds away so neatly makes it one of the most future-proof iDrive systems ever made by BMW. It is just a matter of years before the current-gen iDrive systems start to look outdated.

This is also why we should be happy we got an "analog" climate control interface as well as those three-dimensional curvy analog speedo/rev counters instead of the flat half/full LCD ones.

I'm kinda confused by this, why is just having a folding screen more future-proof vs the current BMW screens that are tilted towards the driver? Why isn't having those new flat LCD cockpit screens more future-proof vs our analog meters?

Originally Posted by nicknaz

If you check out truecar.com right now and look at 435 convertible vs. Z435 with similar equipment (msport package + tech package) the Z4 is actually cheaper due to higher discounting. (Maybe outside US its a lot different...)

Apparently there is also 73% residual right now so the leases on Z4 should be very strong deals.

This is pretty much the same thing I've seen since 2012, where new car price, lease price, used resale price for Z4 are similar (or less) to the equivalent 3 or 4 series models.

Personally, I think Z435 is a great deal for a new car since its the only one left with N54 and only non M model with DCT. and it looks pretty good...

I never cross-shopped our Z4 w/ any 3-series, so no idea. However, w/ the deep discounts to the Z4 in the later years since I bought in 2010 surely it looks like a good deal. My pt is that value for $, Z4 falls short.

Anyway, going way OT, partially my fault.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by tranquility

My pt is that value for $, Z4 falls short.

German cars in general fall short on that metric. Like I said earlier man, time for a Corvette... Or if you really want to eat bitter on value for $ shop at Porsche.....

by the way, for the 35is and 35i E89 exhaust I've read the difference is the muffler only.

Have you found anything about that?

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

German cars in general fall short on that metric. Like I said earlier man, time for a Corvette... Or if you really want to eat bitter on value for $ shop at Porsche.....

by the way, for the 35is and 35i E89 exhaust I've read the difference is the muffler only.

Have you found anything about that?

Trudat.

Apparently that's what someone said re only mufflers being different. Don't ask me to confirm though, that's like asking me which is the right shade of eyeliner to go w/ this season's lipstick lol.

[CedarZ4]

Originally Posted by tranquility

Trudat.

Apparently that's what someone said re only mufflers being different. Don't ask me to confirm though, that's like asking me which is the right shade of eyeliner to go w/ this season's lipstick lol.

You are correct - the only difference between the 35i and 35is exhaust is the muffler. For those who are curious and want confirmation, the part numbers between the 35i and the 35is exhaust are all the same except the muffler portion.


In comparing the two muffler, I believe they are actually the same muffler but just with different/less (in the case of the is) packing material. If I am not mistaken, this is the case for the E92 35i vs. 35is exhaust, so I would not be surprised if this was the case for the Z as well. No proof on this one except speculations, though.

[teezee]

Here's my stock exhaust off the car:


here's the Eisenmann Sport exhaust:


here's the Eisenmann Sport exhaust on the car: