Saleen tunes a Tesla

[Bmw doubles]

I know it's no beemer. As we know Tesla are Hellcat killers amongst a string of super cars off the line and 1/4 mile. Check out what Saleen did with the drive ratio and their version of the electric-muscle sound on take off. Where's that //Mi8 ?

[pikkagtr]

still one trick pony, not repeatable performance and looks like a$$
sorry but fully electric cars are for passengers not drivers.

[The Wind Breezes]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

fully electric cars are for passengers not drivers.

Battery tech is the problem, electricity is an awesome solution and electric motors own the hell out of ic engines in terms of actual drivability. The future of badass cars has no gears and a throttle that is a total weapon. Just look at the latest Koennigsegg. No gears, insane power all the time, and an IC engine in there ONLY to give the car acceptable endurance.

[FC4]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

still one trick pony, not repeatable performance and looks like a$$
sorry but fully electric cars are for passengers not drivers.

LOL. Still a one trick pony just like a stock one? Riiiight.

Sometimes I wish Tesla never made a model that got attention for how quick it was. It would be far less polarizing.

[Bmw doubles]

Why are you guys saying "a one trick pony"? 0-60 is unbeatable, it drives itself, I think it looks exotic and now it's tunable.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

I think it looks exotic

Have you ever seen an exotic?

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Have you ever seen an exotic?

I live in LA where there's tons of exotic cars aka land-of-the-lambos. Everyone has a beemer in LA, it's nothing special out here not even a M4 or 5. What city are you in where a BMW is a spectacular site to see? : if you're in "LA" and your not seeing high end vehicles it's probably SFV.

[Alvinized52]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Have you ever seen an exotic?

I agree with Bmw doubles ...

For all of you calling it a "one trick pony", you've obviously never driven a Tesla.
I must admit that styling of the Model S isnt as aggressive as an M4... for my taste any way. But damn... there's so much tech to Tesla cars. And the handling is amazing!

My brother landed a job in development for Tesla about a year and a half ago. They are now in the midst of redevelopment of their roadster ( the car that put them on the map). The chasis and styling of the previous was literally borrowed on the Lotus Elise. This time, they are starting from scratch. I got a chance to see some early concept renders... Its going to look crazy and definitely in the realm of what an " exotic supercar" should look like.

As much as I want to be a hater and defend my purchase of my M4, I must admit... Their tech blows our BMWs out of the water.... And their next generation roadster will be incredible! They have a new battery tech that is ridiculous... Im sure they will announce pretty soon. If i can swing it, I will be the first one to sign up and make a reservation for one of these suckers!

I should mention, I bought Tesla stocks at IPO... At the time, i simply thought it was a worthwhile gamble to invest in. Needless to say, They are exceeding all my expectations... And for kicks, I bought more after I found out about the Model 3 was in development a year ago, Im so glad I did. Im planning to buy more before the new roadster will be announced.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

I live in LA where there's tons of exotic cars aka land-of-the-lambos. Everyone has a beemer in LA, it's nothing special out here not even a M4 or 5. What city are you in where a BMW is a spectacular site to see? : if you're in "LA" and your not seeing high end vehicles it's probably SFV.

A beemer is not exotic either.

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

A beemer is not exotic either.

Correct

[kprocivic]

I'd have to agree it's a one trick pony. To each their own for real though.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

and now it's tunable.

Still they say in that video (at 5:10) that they "wanted to leave the battery and battery management system alone from a durability and range standpoint".
Thats business talk for saying "we wouldnt know where to begin, we are not capable enough for that".
So this is imho basically a tesla with boltons (bodykit, shocks, brakes and interior gimmicks).
I wonder if that'll give it an edge on a track; I highly doubt it.
There's an interesting video on youtube where a tesla p85d goes on the nordschleife (low traffic and a pretty good driver) and it's in pursuit of an m4.
And you wont believe how fast that m4 is pulling away from that tesla on a lot of track sections (the tesla p85d closes in on the m4 a few times when the m4 is held up in traffic, so you see a couple of times how the m4 disappears in the horizon very fast).
And there are (I think) 2 causes for that.
First is weight; it;s very strange to see that tesla in the corners. It corners very flat as all the weight is down low, which is obviously a very good thing, but you can just see its a very very heavy car. It has I think no real need for better shocks (or brakes), it has to foremost lighten up.
And the other thing is power above 80mph or so.
The difference in high speed acceleration (with that m4) tells me that there is no way that that tesla has 700hp available. There is some serious current limiting going on.
The time the tesla sets is 8:50 I think.
So it may be quick of the line at the traffic light, but its not a fast car on a track (at least not as fast as tesla wants us to believe, as they themselves compared it with a mclaren F1....)

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

still one trick pony, not repeatable performance and looks like a$$
sorry but fully electric cars are for passengers not drivers.

+1. I do like the paint. Anyone identify what paint color that is?

[John Tanglewood]

Originally Posted by pikkagtr

still one trick pony, not repeatable performance and looks like a$$
sorry but fully electric cars are for passengers not drivers.

Sounds like someone hasn't driven one!!!

Teslas are a fucking blast to drive and no, the novelty does not wear off. You may miss the exhaust noise, but no car enthusiast would ever get tired of the instant torque!

[Sedoy]

Apparently he didn't, a friend of mine recently drove P90D even without insane mode and couldn't stopped talking about this car for weeks... still does. Now he wants to get rid of his Audi and get the Model S. A good advice: if you can't afford Model S don't test drive it... you will get addicted.

Originally Posted by John Tanglewood

Sounds like someone hasn't driven one!!!

Teslas are a fucking blast to drive and no, the novelty does not wear off. You may miss the exhaust noise, but no car enthusiast would ever get tired of the instant torque!

[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by John Tanglewood

Sounds like someone hasn't driven one!!!

Teslas are a fucking blast to drive and no, the novelty does not wear off. You may miss the exhaust noise, but no car enthusiast would ever get tired of the instant torque!

Novelty wore off for some...that's why used ones are for sale.

[GuidoK]

this is that video I mentioned: P85d on the nordschleife with a clearly above average driver (pretty good I think, he's clearly not limited by his knowledge of the ring but limited by the performance of the car)

Strange vehicle dynamics (I think a lot of understeer, but the car stays remarkably flat), and -what I presume - massive current limiting.

I mean if you look at 4min10, there is a hill (from breidscheid through ex-muhle, exiting ex-muhle), and it slopes up, and you can see he's flooring it (seen in the speedo), but if you see how fast the speedo climbs (thats in kph!, not mph).
That doesnt look like 700hp to me, but maybe max 200hp. It;s not very impressive. Clearly the batteries cant take it and current limiting is immense. From 92kph or 57mph (after braking for exmuhle so from the point he's flooring it as he exits the corner) to 152kph or 94mph takes 10,5 or 11 seconds on my stopwatch on a moderate slope. Thats rather average instead of supercar performance.

So that probably also doesnt make for a good car to challenge a mountain pass or similar challenging road where some stamina is required. (so driving faster than grandma speeds)

[Bmw doubles]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

this is that video I mentioned: P85d on the nordschleife with a clearly above average driver (pretty good I think, he's clearly not limited by his knowledge of the ring but limited by the performance of the car)

Strange vehicle dynamics (I think a lot of understeer, but the car stays remarkably flat), and -what I presume - massive current limiting.

I mean if you look at 4min10, there is a hill (from breidscheid through ex-muhle, exiting ex-muhle), and it slopes up, and you can see he's flooring it (seen in the speedo), but if you see how fast the speedo climbs (thats in kph!, not mph).
That doesnt look like 700hp to me, but maybe max 200hp. It;s not very impressive. Clearly the batteries cant take it and current limiting is immense. From 92kph or 57mph (after braking for exmuhle so from the point he's flooring it as he exits the corner) to 152kph or 94mph takes 10,5 or 11 seconds on my stopwatch on a moderate slope. Thats rather average instead of supercar performance.

So that probably also doesnt make for a good car to challenge a mountain pass or similar challenging road where some stamina is required. (so driving faster than grandma speeds)

Awesome video it needs improvement on handling for sure to be number 1 on that track otherwise he's forced to slow down. Still number 1 on the streets unless BMW gifts us with a M4 or 5 version that has xdrive with battery-drive launch assistance. Then we'll see.

Porsche is about to answer back to tesla though
https://www.wired.com/2015/09/porsch...ctric-concept/

[GuidoK]

with on the streets you mean a 0-60 trafficlight sprint. On the autobahn the tesla is nowhere.
I think in the handling department it's mostly tyres and maybe different wheel geometry. The car corners fairly flat so I doubt shocks and swaybars will make big improvements. It's mostly struggles with the weight in the corners. lots of understeer (and unpredictable if you look at 2:36 imho) and lots of tyre squeal.
I'd imagine a car which has all its weight down low and inbetween the wheels to have a more neutral handling. In the video it seems like its really struggling with turn in understeer.

[eluded]

Teslas are not designed for 2 to 3 minutes plus of wide-open throttle and braking They will going to limp mode on the track after few mins

[Mingwan]

Good lord that understeer

[Fundguy1]

Watching the whole video, they dont give a single performance Stat or a Stat by how much they were able to improve it.