So That's A New ///M?

tranquility · 12-11-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Memphis1

i guess my point is that these guys act like BMW was going to give them a Murcielago for $40k

Well, who doesn't want more for less? *If* I was remotely attracted to the styling of the 1-series, I'd be salivating as well. BMW is doing a crazy (annoying) job giving some much 'value'/bang-for-buck in its less expensive models and it's slightly irritating to buyers of its more 'exclusive' lines (well, to me, at least).

taYab · 12-11-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Alext

There will be a Z4M model I am sure - as I have always said. In terms of engines, unless they put in the V8 from the M3 there would be not much point in it (ie: too easy for BMW to up the boost on the N54/N55 - to me that's not a PROPER M car). And this is why the the 35is is not a M car.

Now if BMW put a high revving 6 cylinder in there that *somehow* made more power than the N54 then I would be very, very interested.

There is talk of the Z4M being a fixed roof. If so I predict it will be an extremely attractive car.

For E89, what I heard is not likely. Maybe, next model. When BMW released the z4 35is, BMW clearly stated that they are not making M model for E89, period.

bdardashti · 12-11-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by taYab

For E89, what I heard is not likely. Maybe, next model. When BMW released the z4 35is, BMW clearly stated that they are not making M model for E89, period.

No, they just said there are no plans at this time.

Mr. ///M3 RD · 12-11-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Memphis1

Price (MSRP):US approx. $ 46,000

it's not a straight conversion... i though you would've figure that out by now...

Well in Canada it is and then some, seams BMW treats you fellows with kid cloves and gives you a break ... using your train of thought .... i though you would've figure that out by now...

Silver-Bolt · 12-11-2010, 09:30 PM

I wish BMW would quit holding back the performance of their cars. Let the performance of each model stand on it's own. If the 1M is faster than the M3 so be it. Don't hold back on the performance just to keep their star shining.

teagueAMX · 12-11-2010, 09:41 PM

+1

Reminds me a bit of how De Beers controlled the diamond market for those many years, as if giving the consumer too much will somehow devalue BMWs market. Porsche and Ferrari, on the other hand, pretty much will sell you the best of whatever they have at any given time with the promise that something better is just around the corner. Two different marketing strategies.

I just watch an older Chris Harris at Autocar vid of a Porsche 911 GT3 and Nissan Skline kick the crap out of an M3. Of course, both of those cars are more expensive than the M3, but the Skyline has all the utility of M3. A Build Your Own Nissan GT-R fully loaded w/ a MSRP of $86K. A comparably equipped came up to $77, so BMW going to have up the ante if they want keep playing.

mcbeee · 12-12-2010, 08:24 AM

Before I put my remap in the Z , I read lots about these silly little 135's with Dinan stage II in them beating the pants off M cars on the track, shaving tenths under the performance of the M cars. Anyone with a brain will buy a 135 and remap it. With a couple of suspension upgrades it would be better than the M and miles cheaper.......

Unfortunately they are still UGLYer than sin.....

Lewis@MWDesign · 12-12-2010, 01:13 PM

The ultimate goal for our Z4 "slingshot" is to build the closest thing to a Z4M performance wise but with our vision of styling.

Styling and power (400hp) is there already.

2011 upgrades include BBK, new coilover and LSD. Also an alternate set of wheels/slicks for the track!

I highly doubt BMW will make a Z4M for this generation because the pricing just won't make sense. The 3.5is is borderline M3 range already.

We will see, but I remain doubtful.

teagueAMX · 12-12-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lewis@MWDesign

The ultimate goal for our Z4 "slingshot" is to build the closest thing to a Z4M performance wise but with our vision of styling.

Styling and power (400hp) is there already.

2011 upgrades include BBK, new coilover and LSD. Also an alternate set of wheels/slicks for the track!

I highly doubt BMW will make a Z4M for this generation because the pricing just won't make sense. The 3.5is is borderline M3 range already.

We will see, but I remain doubtful.

Why don't you use this thread, or start one of your own dealing with one of your builds?

Rubber Ducky · 12-13-2010, 06:00 AM

What a Z4-M would need is a non-retractable hardtop (or no tracking etc.). That seems an awfully costly variant for little in sales, so I echo the doubts that this will ever happen with the E89.

Wraith. · 12-13-2010, 01:46 PM

So looking at the 1M Ring time I was wondering how the z4is matched up but can't seem to locate anything. Anyone have a listing?

Jake C · 12-13-2010, 03:27 PM

Z4M is not dead is it?

http://e89.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439920

- J

teagueAMX · 12-14-2010, 08:46 AM

My feeling is there will be an Z4M.

But I'm more curious at this point how BMW will pull it off. The 35is already exceeds previous Z4 M horsepower and torque specification, albeit turbocharged and for short periods on overboost. Regardless, the 1M engine specs (sort of the point of this thread) are not that much better. Talk is the 2014 will be a turbocharge i6 similar to the 1m Autoexpress previews the 2012 F30 3-series sedan and 2014 F32 M3 coupe. The 3 Series is BMWs bread and butter line. That means they can't give the Z4 M all the bells and whistles, which is fine. Wouldn't mind seeing some of the 1M tek features mentioned at the beginning of the thread, but apart from those features what would a Z4 M be anyway? One thing I don't think we'll see is BMW eliminating the electronic parking so it could have performance brakes.

Wraith. · 12-14-2010, 02:09 PM

SO no ring times for the E89 Z4iS? Anyone else find that odd?

cdeslandes · 12-14-2010, 06:52 PM

The M3 and soon the 1M are halo cars that help BMW sell millions of regular underpowered gas and diesel-powered 1 and 3 series.

The Z4 doesn't need a halo //M car as it targets a very different market segment.

tranquility · 12-14-2010, 08:26 PM

I for one would like to see a top-of-the-line Z4 in M guise, but it would be counter-productive for BMW to come up w/ such version that's a true coupe, esp since there are no real rigidity issues w/ the e89. When the e85 came out as a vert first, all they did was plunk on a top and hence the coupe weighed more than the softtop (or am I thinking about the Boxster transition into the Cayman?). Anyway, I'm hoping for a M version, but guessing it'll remain as a hardtop.

teagueAMX · 12-14-2010, 08:50 PM

There was 33 pounds difference:

Z4 M Roadster @ 3,197 lbs.
Z4 M Coupé @ 3,230 lbs

tranquility · 12-14-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by teagueAMX

There was 33 pounds difference:

Z4 M Roadster @ 3,197 lbs.
Z4 M Coupé @ 3,230 lbs

Thx. Ya, I'm a bit annoyed at how a coupe can be heavier than a convertible...but that's what usually happens when the ragtops are developed first.

Jake C · 12-14-2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by teagueAMX

My feeling is there will be an Z4M.But I'm more curious at this point how BMW will pull it off. The 35is already exceeds previous Z4 M horsepower and torque specification, albeit turbocharged and for short periods on overboost.

That's a great question. With the 1M engine and the Z4 is engine being close to (if not exact) the same HP. I would think they could make the Z4M more focused by removing weight Would removing the folding roof and adding a fixed rood remove weight?

- J

teagueAMX · 12-14-2010, 09:48 PM

Yes

Even though BMW did a good job of making a lightweight convertible hardtop, making a fixed hardtop would shave a few pounds.

skier219 · 12-14-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake C

That's a great question. With the 1M engine and the Z4 is engine being close to (if not exact) the same HP. I would think they could make the Z4M more focused by removing weight Would removing the folding roof and adding a fixed rood remove weight?

- J

I bet it would -- the folding mechanism, actuators, etc... has got to weigh a fair amount, never mind the stiffeners needed for a multi-piece roof. Going to a fixed, single piece roof would probably save a good chunk of weight.

Land_Shark · 12-14-2010, 10:36 PM

To me, the 1 Series was for those who wanted to ride a BMW but could not afford the 3 series...
The M1 price tag came to a surprise though... What would you have an M1 or a 335i and Mod it? Very debatable IMO...
The Z is in an different Cat. It is a roadster and since we are not much on the top list of "how many cars is being made" We are certainly on the "Much profitable selling a Z4 than a 1 series" thing...

Would there be a Z4 M??? Emm... unless that car can handle a V8 4.0L, we are done for now with N54 and the tuning up (What they've done to M1 is disappointing, IMHO)

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Silver-Bolt Captain 26 Rep 805 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 35is Melbourne Red Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Portland, OR iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 Z4 35is [9.00]	I wish BMW would quit holding back the performance of their cars. Let the performance of each model stand on it's own. If the 1M is faster than the M3 so be it. Don't hold back on the performance just to keep their star shining.
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teagueAMX Colonel 60 Rep 2,087 Posts Drives: Some are road worthy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: So Cal, USA iTrader: (0)	+1 Reminds me a bit of how De Beers controlled the diamond market for those many years, as if giving the consumer too much will somehow devalue BMWs market. Porsche and Ferrari, on the other hand, pretty much will sell you the best of whatever they have at any given time with the promise that something better is just around the corner. Two different marketing strategies. I just watch an older Chris Harris at Autocar vid of a Porsche 911 GT3 and Nissan Skline kick the crap out of an M3. Of course, both of those cars are more expensive than the M3, but the Skyline has all the utility of M3. A Build Your Own Nissan GT-R fully loaded w/ a MSRP of $86K. A comparably equipped came up to $77, so BMW going to have up the ante if they want keep playing. __________________ "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end".-- Unknown Last edited by teagueAMX; 12-11-2010 at 09:59 PM..
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mcbeee Lieutenant 5 Rep 446 Posts Drives: '09 Z4 s35i & '03 Z4 3.0i Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Calgary iTrader: (0) Garage List 2003 Z4 3.0i [5.00] 2001 Z3 3.0i [0.00] 2009 Z4 s35i [7.00]	Before I put my remap in the Z , I read lots about these silly little 135's with Dinan stage II in them beating the pants off M cars on the track, shaving tenths under the performance of the M cars. Anyone with a brain will buy a 135 and remap it. With a couple of suspension upgrades it would be better than the M and miles cheaper....... Unfortunately they are still UGLYer than sin..... __________________ Member ZSCCA 2009 Z4 s35i with Dinan Stage II software, Sport and Exec packages, 19" 296 rims , a stubby and mud flaps '03 Z4 3.0i Sterling Grey (Hers) '01 Z3 3.0i Sapphire Black, M sport package (Mine) Last edited by mcbeee; 12-12-2010 at 08:26 AM.. Reason: Spelling
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Lewis@MWDesign Banned 261 Rep 1,499 Posts Drives: 2010 BMW Z4 3.5i 6spd Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hong Kong \| Vancouver, BC Canada iTrader: (28)	The ultimate goal for our Z4 "slingshot" is to build the closest thing to a Z4M performance wise but with our vision of styling. Styling and power (400hp) is there already. 2011 upgrades include BBK, new coilover and LSD. Also an alternate set of wheels/slicks for the track! I highly doubt BMW will make a Z4M for this generation because the pricing just won't make sense. The 3.5is is borderline M3 range already. We will see, but I remain doubtful.
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Rubber Ducky Lieutenant 47 Rep 519 Posts Drives: 2020 M340i Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cocoa Beach FL iTrader: (1)	What a Z4-M would need is a non-retractable hardtop (or no tracking etc.). That seems an awfully costly variant for little in sales, so I echo the doubts that this will ever happen with the E89.
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Wraith. Captain 71 Rep 886 Posts Drives: ED '11 Z4 35is Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	So looking at the 1M Ring time I was wondering how the z4is matched up but can't seem to locate anything. Anyone have a listing?
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Jake C Lieutenant 18 Rep 409 Posts Drives: 2009 335i 2010 335d Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: US/UK iTrader: (0)	Z4M is not dead is it? http://e89.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439920 - J __________________ In Memory of LeRoi Moore 1961-2008.
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12-14-2010, 08:46 AM	#35
teagueAMX Colonel 60 Rep 2,087 Posts Drives: Some are road worthy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: So Cal, USA iTrader: (0)	My feeling is there will be an Z4M. But I'm more curious at this point how BMW will pull it off. The 35is already exceeds previous Z4 M horsepower and torque specification, albeit turbocharged and for short periods on overboost. Regardless, the 1M engine specs (sort of the point of this thread) are not that much better. Talk is the 2014 will be a turbocharge i6 similar to the 1m Autoexpress previews the 2012 F30 3-series sedan and 2014 F32 M3 coupe. The 3 Series is BMWs bread and butter line. That means they can't give the Z4 M all the bells and whistles, which is fine. Wouldn't mind seeing some of the 1M tek features mentioned at the beginning of the thread, but apart from those features what would a Z4 M be anyway? One thing I don't think we'll see is BMW eliminating the electronic parking so it could have performance brakes. __________________ "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end".-- Unknown
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Wraith. Captain 71 Rep 886 Posts Drives: ED '11 Z4 35is Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	SO no ring times for the E89 Z4iS? Anyone else find that odd?
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tranquility sportscars only 3242 Rep 3,195 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 sDrive 35i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montréal iTrader: (0)	I for one would like to see a top-of-the-line Z4 in M guise, but it would be counter-productive for BMW to come up w/ such version that's a true coupe, esp since there are no real rigidity issues w/ the e89. When the e85 came out as a vert first, all they did was plunk on a top and hence the coupe weighed more than the softtop (or am I thinking about the Boxster transition into the Cayman?). Anyway, I'm hoping for a M version, but guessing it'll remain as a hardtop.
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teagueAMX Colonel 60 Rep 2,087 Posts Drives: Some are road worthy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: So Cal, USA iTrader: (0)	There was 33 pounds difference: Z4 M Roadster @ 3,197 lbs. Z4 M Coupé @ 3,230 lbs __________________ "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end".-- Unknown
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12-14-2010, 09:48 PM	#42
teagueAMX Colonel 60 Rep 2,087 Posts Drives: Some are road worthy Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: So Cal, USA iTrader: (0)	Yes Even though BMW did a good job of making a lightweight convertible hardtop, making a fixed hardtop would shave a few pounds. __________________ "Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end".-- Unknown
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Land_Shark In The Flesh 23 Rep 600 Posts Drives: Z4 sDrive 35i Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hong Kong iTrader: (0)	To me, the 1 Series was for those who wanted to ride a BMW but could not afford the 3 series... The M1 price tag came to a surprise though... What would you have an M1 or a 335i and Mod it? Very debatable IMO... The Z is in an different Cat. It is a roadster and since we are not much on the top list of "how many cars is being made" We are certainly on the "Much profitable selling a Z4 than a 1 series" thing... Would there be a Z4 M??? Emm... unless that car can handle a V8 4.0L, we are done for now with N54 and the tuning up (What they've done to M1 is disappointing, IMHO)
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