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      07-22-2010, 01:39 PM   #23
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They are quick I'm sure, but the 335i has nearly Identical 0-60 1/4 times.
It depends on your definition of nearly identical.

BMW 0-60 published times don't mean much.

In reality, and based on actual test results the 35i is faster 0-60 than 335i by about .3 -.5 seconds, due to two factor:
1) It is 100 or so pounds lighter
2) DCT - much faster shifting = faster 0-60

In 0-60 speak, .3 - .5 seconds is definitely not characterized by anyone as "nearly identical". That would be a sizeable advantage.

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I just don't understand how it doesn't handle as well as the 335i..Kinda a deal breaker! Thanks for all the info guys.
How did you draw this conclusion? No one in this thread said the 335i handled better than the 35i. The objective test numbers don't allow one to draw a conclusion either way, so it it boils down to personal opinion and actually driving the car yourself.

Once you've driven the 35i come on back and let us know what you think.
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Thanks for the info guys, I was just wondering how they handle, from what I read the don't go through the slalom as fast as the 335i, I was surprised...
Again, it depends on your definition of "as fast". The Z4 does go through the slolom as fast as the 335i. A .2 mph difference is negligible.

I guess it all depends on how you want to interpret the numbers. If your intent all along was to justify keeping your 335i, then it seems you've talked yourself into it quite nicely.
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Again, it depends on your definition of "as fast". The Z4 does go through the slolom as fast as the 335i. A .2 mph difference is negligible.

I guess it all depends on how you want to interpret the numbers. If your intent all along was to justify keeping your 335i, then it seems you've talked yourself into it quite nicely.
That's what I'm starting to get as well....
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That's what I'm starting to get as well....
He disappeared. He must be off on a nice drive with the 335i he's keeping.
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      07-27-2010, 01:23 AM   #30
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Wow..I was trying to talk myself into one and all the reviews say it doesn't handle as well as the competition
Sure it got 2nd but a .83 on a skidpad is by no means GOOD..
And it runs the same 0-60 /1/4 times as the 335i.


Did you say its .3-.5 seconds faster to 60 then the 335i HAHA.. Get over yourself dude. Not even close. The 335i best 0-60 is a 4.8 so the z4 does a 4.3? faster then the M3, WOW!!!

So yes, it handles worse or maybe just as good as the 335i..Stop with the crap about, its how it drives and feels blah blah blah. The 335i drives and feels amazing. If the z4 doesn't handle any better why would I want to lose 2 doors and 2 seats and half my trunk?? Not worth it. Sounds like you guys are still talking yourself into your Z4 . Its a beautiful car just not worth the money. That is all.
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Before I bought my Z4, I looked at 335i Cabrio or Convertible. However, with the top closed, the 335i Cabrio looks awful from the rear quarter panel angle.

The interior of the 335i looks awful too.

The E89 Z4 is beautiful inside and out, especially with the extended nappa ivory leather.

I would go to the dealer and take a look for yourself. You'll be surprised!
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      07-27-2010, 02:14 AM   #32
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I agree the interior/exterior is gorgeous! the 3-series interior could use an update, I agree on that as well. I just can't justify a sports car that handles subpar to the equivalent competition. It could "feel" amazing, but in the end it still doesn't handle as well as I would like. Hell the new mustang would take Z4 in twisties (335i too). But the Z4 is a 2 seater, its made to handle well. between the tts/cayman/370z/corvette the Z4 handles the worst. I wish It didn't because I love the looks. I understand I need to drive one, but in the end the numbers don't lie.

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Wow..I was trying to talk myself into one and all the reviews say it doesn't handle as well as the competition
Sure it got 2nd but a .83 on a skidpad is by no means GOOD..
And it runs the same 0-60 /1/4 times as the 335i.


Did you say its .3-.5 seconds faster to 60 then the 335i HAHA.. Get over yourself dude. Not even close. The 335i best 0-60 is a 4.8 so the z4 does a 4.3? faster then the M3, WOW!!!

So yes, it handles worse or maybe just as good as the 335i..Stop with the crap about, its how it drives and feels blah blah blah. The 335i drives and feels amazing. If the z4 doesn't handle any better why would I want to lose 2 doors and 2 seats and half my trunk?? Not worth it. Sounds like you guys are still talking yourself into your Z4 . Its a beautiful car just not worth the money. That is all.
Wow, I thought that you weren't even interested in the Z4 but just curious, as you've stated in your 1st post. No need to bag on a fellow BMW brother.

Anyway, the engine's the same, so the performance #s for either 335i/Z4 35i are almost negligible. Hell, if you wanted to maximize 'pure' performance w/ that engine, the 135i coupe would arguably be the best choice.

So, given that the performance are pretty much the same, I would say that looks/practicality are the only major factors. Practicality I can't comment on: you either need to seat more than 2 or not. Looks are subjective, but imho the 335i cabriolet looks less-than-pretty to put it in a tactful manner. Aren't there ruts on the hardtop for the folding mechanism? That's just unacceptable. Also, the profile is all wrong and just seems too big. The coupe looks much nicer but I still prefer the Z4: looks nice either top up/down.

When you make up your mind whether you are just poking around or kinda really maybe thinking about a move from the 3 to the Z, you should really drive them to make up your mind. I know I did and the 335i unfortunately didn't impress me one bit and felt more dull (and for my first straight comparison, I drove a Z4 30i); the gap was obviously larger when I then compared the 3 to the 35i and 35is.

Again, you really need to drive these cars back-to-back and see what kind of driver you are and what is more suitable. Maybe you are still better-suited for the 3, but c'mon, don't be dissing your (prettier) Z brother lol.

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      07-27-2010, 02:36 AM   #34
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Im not dissing you man, just BlueZ4 thinks the Z4 is God.
I understand what your saying, I might have to make a trip down there tomorrow. I wont get a car for over a year and I open to many different cars, just trying to find out as must info I can about each one. By the way, you need to drive a 335i non convertible, there more fun But thats why you got the Z4 im sure, you want the optional top.
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      07-27-2010, 02:44 AM   #35
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Im not dissing you man, just BlueZ4 thinks the Z4 is God.
I understand what your saying, I might have to make a trip down there tomorrow. I wont get a car for over a year and I open to many different cars, just trying to find out as must info I can about each one. By the way, you need to drive a 335i non convertible, there more fun But thats why you got the Z4 im sure, you want the optional top.
335i doesn't have DCT yet; I think the 335is does but while it's really nice, I like smaller cars. DCT was a must for me. Also, the Z4 styling in/outside is fresh and looks great. The 3 really needs an update; even the Audi when I was shopping nailed it when it came to interior styling.

EDIT: Ya, *BE* open, I mean, when I was shopping, I was all over the place but ended up w/ the Z4 (considered 3-series, S4, TTS, Cayman). You really need to DRIVE them.
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Buying a Z4 is a lifestyle decision; well it was for me anyway. It has an intimate 2-seater cabin, has luxury, safety, massive straight line potential, ability to transform into a convertible and has reasonably good handling. It also looks absolutely sensational - better than anything I have seen in this category for a while.

What it doesnt have: incredible handling straight out of the box. But honestly I don't think it needs to because it makes up for it in so many other areas. The majortiy of people that buy this car arent going to expect to be able to or want to track it seriously let's face it.

It also doesnt have a particularly low mass, but what do you expect from a car with this many features?

However I have a feeling that the Z4 has great potential; it has already 50:50 weight distribution, low centre of gravity...things that you can't easily achieve. With a few simple, basic modifications (springs, roll bars & sticky tires) you will be able to get a very respectably handling vehicle out of the Z4. Add to that a JB3 and you will have everything you could reasonably want out of a car in this price bracket.
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      07-27-2010, 10:05 AM   #37
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Im not dissing you man, just BlueZ4 thinks the Z4 is God.
I understand what your saying, I might have to make a trip down there tomorrow. I wont get a car for over a year and I open to many different cars, just trying to find out as must info I can about each one. By the way, you need to drive a 335i non convertible, there more fun But thats why you got the Z4 im sure, you want the optional top.
Oh Puleeease.
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Wow..I was trying to talk myself into one and all the reviews say it doesn't handle as well as the competition
Sure it got 2nd but a .83 on a skidpad is by no means GOOD..
And it runs the same 0-60 /1/4 times as the 335i.


Did you say its .3-.5 seconds faster to 60 then the 335i HAHA.. Get over yourself dude. Not even close. The 335i best 0-60 is a 4.8 so the z4 does a 4.3? faster then the M3, WOW!!!

So yes, it handles worse or maybe just as good as the 335i..Stop with the crap about, its how it drives and feels blah blah blah. The 335i drives and feels amazing. If the z4 doesn't handle any better why would I want to lose 2 doors and 2 seats and half my trunk?? Not worth it. Sounds like you guys are still talking yourself into your Z4 . Its a beautiful car just not worth the money. That is all.
If you check the Motor Trend review you'll see they ran a 4.3 in the 35i.

http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/...09_bmw_z4.html

Now if you throw the "iS" into the mix with it's increase in HP, Torque and 7 sec overboost.. yes we are talking M3 0-60 times. Certainly faster than the dated 335i or even the new 335iS.

Personally, I don't think you care. We've seen many people come through here with similar stories about "wanting to check out the new Z" but all they are really interested in is some reaffirmation that their car is still viable. Which, coincidentally, is exactly what you are accusing others of with regard to "..still talking ourselves into.." SO please do us all a favor, keep talking yourself into keeping your 07 335i (not that you were really in the market anyway) and go Troll elsewhere.
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But the Z4 is a 2 seater, its made to handle well. between the tts/cayman/370z/corvette the Z4 handles the worst.

Gonna' have to call your bluff on the Corvette (C6) handling better than the Z4 (35i). I owned a 2007 Corvette with the Z51 option, manual transmission (no modifications) before purchasing the 35i.

Sorry dude, but you don't GET to tell me which handles better.

"Handling" is subjective and in everyday driving at 4/10ths - 8/10ths, my opinion is that the Z4 that feels like the car that weighs 200 lbs less, rather than the other way around. It hits and hugs the corners tighter and and feels like the more nimble, tossable car than the C6...and thats even after comparing with the Michelin PS2s I put on my C6.

The C6 will provide a better time at the track at 10/10ths, but that is not something I do or the purpose of the Z4.

Do us all a favor now and get lost, will ya'

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I agree. The Z4 may not have the surgical precision of the M3 or Boxter or the grip of the Corvette, or the go-cart feel of a Lotus, however, at 9/10ths it is a great handling car and on any twisty road, handles with the best of them. Add in the torque of the 3.0TT and the shifting of the DCT and its a great car to drive. Add in the looks of the exterior and interior and you've got a great car.
Throw in the looks of it top down and how it feels and performs on the road, and you've got a smile on your face every time you drive it.
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Oh yeah, came back from a long drive, top down. Still thinking about it. Nothing like it!
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I think the point that most are missing is that- whichever car can corner faster is really irrelevant. I mean, we aren't taking these cars out on the SCCA circuit, are we?

When I was looking at replacing my E85 this year, it came down to the M3 vs. the E89. I wasn't sure I could leave my roadster brethren, but have been coveting the M for a while...

Bottom line is, I drove both, and the E89 (and mind you, this was a 30i MT) FELT faster (again, in street driving).

There is something about sitting over the back wheels that let's you feel those G's when you're going through a corner. I would never suggest that it outperforms the M3 in cornering (the M3 is clearly the superior track car), but for what most (if not all) of use the car for, the Zed was simply more fun on the roads.

When the 35is was announced (admittedly not an M, but it doesn't sound like that's in the cards), it was a no-brainer for me. Still, I would have picked up a 35i regardless, for the reasons above.


That having been said, I hope to add an M3 to the stable in a couple of years- but nobody's taking my Z...
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Just so you know, the M3 comes as a drop-top as well. I had one, it was great but....I traded it for my new Z4.. The two seater is just more all around fun , but you all know that ..
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Just so you know, the M3 comes as a drop-top as well. I had one, it was great but....I traded it for my new Z4.. The two seater is just more all around fun , but you all know that ..
I wonder how much of the ///M-ness is lost with the drop top M3. It weighs 4100 lbs, almost 600 more than the Z4.
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