The old Lexus IS-F is no quicker than a new BMW 340i

[ItsGary]

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

1. You didn't answer my question.

2. Manual is fun, but it is not inherently better. In fact, by every measurable quality a DCT is better than a manual. Faster, More precise, less wear, etc.

3. Recognizing a car as "best" simply for the transmission it has is juvenile. you are rating an M3 as "best" while, by comparison, downgrading the literal fastest car in the world because it "isn't manual"...

“You’re not a car guy cause you don’t drive manual!”

Hate that mentality so much.

[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by FlaPatsFan

4door sports car!

No. A Corvette is a sports car. An IS-F is a sporty 4 door.

[Uber Commuter]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

This is a strong argument. Escalating from daily drivers to the top of the supercar market to half ass a straw man. Well played!

Nice work completely missing the point, but excellent goal-post shifting!

Originally Posted by bimmer456

The tesla roadster has no tranny and is the fastest car and will likely still be the fastest production vehicle when it goes into production.

http://fortune.com/2017/11/06/koenig...-speed-record/

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Uber Commuter

Nice work completely missing the point, but excellent goal-post shifting!

http://fortune.com/2017/11/06/koenig...-speed-record/

You tried to make a DCT argument by championing a Koenigsegg while everyone was discussing daily drivers. This is as meaningless as my going to every wheel conversation and trying to promote 13" wheels because that's what F1 uses (well, until this season.)

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

You tried to make a DCT argument by championing a Koenigsegg while everyone was discussing daily drivers. This is as meaningless as my going to every wheel conversation and trying to promote 13" wheels because that's what F1 uses (well, until this season.)

You can daily drive a Koenigsegg and be the envy of everyone at the office.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

You can daily drive a Koenigsegg and be the envy of everyone at the office.

Haha. It was on my short list but I just couldn't handle the lack of a third pedal. Seriously, the only thing keeping me from one.

[TrAcK TRaP]

Originally Posted by ASAP

It's not really fair to compare tech that is now 5+ years old.... in addition, Toyota currently has no performance turbo motor on the market... I am sure one will come soon and we will have a more fair comparison coming.

Here is another shock... a 2018 340i only makes 20 more hp than a 2007 335i... lol

You want another shock... the F80 M3 engine configuration is nearly technically identical to the BMW N54 from 2007... TT 3.0L I6 with Direct Injection...

And those stock engines can hold 800 whp Plus F80 M3 is way faster than 335's and E9X M's.

[eluded]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

M3 has both manual and DCT therefore the GOAT

To the GOAT

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

You can daily drive a Koenigsegg and be the envy of everyone at the office.

I hope it’s your office or your boss is going to feel very insecure.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

I hope it’s your office or your boss is going to feel very insecure.

Many years ago, I had the perfect storm of stupid situations converge. Our CEO was a car guy with an E55. I had an M Coupe at the time, but it had been rear ended and was in the body shop. My boss was out of town and I was parking in his spot, directly beside the CEO. I was driving a friend's Ferrari while my car was indisposed. Of course every time I pulled into that spot, our CEO would be getting out of his AMG. I was pretty sure I was never going to see another raise ever again.

[helothere]

what is the point of this thread anyway?


technology advances quickly.

heck, when prev. gen IS350 was as quick as E46 M3 with less power on a straight line
and that's comparing a car designed in late 90's came out in 2001 vs car designed in 2000's came out in 2006.

they used literally same engine for new gen (current gen) IS with at least 200+ lbs heavier body, it's gotta be slower ain't it?


i see OP drives 340i (at least that's what's on the Drives: section under the handle)

be proud of your car and enjoy driving it

[tiltmode43]

Originally Posted by mirob

I remember, like it was yesterday, when the IS-F came out. They even had advertisements in movie theaters. At the time, Lexus claimed a 4.6 second 0-60mph time.

Same! I remember it like yesterday, sitting in the theater and watching the IS-F come onto the screen before previews, I think one of the commercials was an overhead drifting shot.

Regardless of whether one likes the IS-F or not, Toyota/Lexus has to be commended on their marketing and performance efforts that seemed to really start with the IS-F. Lexus before the F(uji) models felt like an incredibly different brand than we have today, and now the design and performance is really trickling down to Toyotas as well. Was Lexus' prior 'sport' effort the SC430? hah. Can't wait to see the new Zed4 Supra!

As others have already said, comparing IS-F to a 340i is apples to oranges. Consider that the new Camry has only 32 less HP (301 Vs 333) and 5 more TQ (267 Vs 262) than the venerable E46 M3...

[FlaPatsFan]

Since we on the Lexus topic....the Lexus LFA was a great car. I never got a chance to drive it but was at the track when One was there doing some hot laps. Sound was amazing (like a Ferrari), and it was turning in some really fast lap times.

Unfortunately Lexus priced it way to high and sales were low. Lexus hasn’t tried the super exotic category since. Anyone here actually get to drive one?

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Many years ago, I had the perfect storm of stupid situations converge. Our CEO was a car guy with an E55. I had an M Coupe at the time, but it had been rear ended and was in the body shop. My boss was out of town and I was parking in his spot, directly beside the CEO. I was driving a friend's Ferrari while my car was indisposed. Of course every time I pulled into that spot, our CEO would be getting out of his AMG. I was pretty sure I was never going to see another raise ever again.

i can’t tolerate insecure people. You might have multiple sources of income while being employed for him/her. It’s not their business.

[DanMpower]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

So I was watching a YouTube video about used luxury cars and the OP claimed many late model 2012 - 2014 luxury sports sedans could be had for under $15k and I thought his estimated values were a little low even with high mileage unless maybe they were very base model with no options. Anyway, to keep a long story short he was claiming the is350 does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds which I knew was total baloney and called him out on it showing him the Lexus website saying even the new ones do 0-60 in 5.6 and a TFL video showing they are even slower. And yes this is with the big engine. Anyway I research the isf which they stopped making in 2013 and according to car and driver it only does 0-60 in about 4.8 seconds making it no faster than a 340i despite the big v8 with over 400 horsepower. We've certainly come a long way in just a couple years and Lexus IS slow AF.

Well I remember a couple publications when they first tested the 2nd generation IS350, they did indeed hit sub 5 seconds 0-60. 4.8 or 4.9, The 3rd generation IS, 2014+ are indeed slower 0-60 because they switched to an 8 speed auto, required a 3rd shift to hit 60 that's why their 0-60 were in the mid 5s.

Also never go on what TFL says, those guys are idiots and they all test cars at 5-6k ft altitude, which absolutely destroys power in naturally aspirated cars like the IS350. You'll noticed all their times are like 2-3 seconds slower than everyone because of that mile high altitude.

Last year for the IS-F was 2014, 0-60 in 4.8 seconds is probably the worst 0-60 time I've seen for that car. I remember reading that article and even the editor said it was not right and it must be because it was a green engine that hadn't been broken in. Most publications had the IS-F 0-60 in the 4.2 - 4.3 second range so that was definitely a fluke.

Calling the Lexus "slow AF" is the same as calling the C63 AMG and E9x M3 all "slow AF" because they all pulled almost identical 0-60, 1/4 and trap speeds. I had a 2012 IS-F and it was one of the best cars I've ever owned. Bullet proof reliability, great all around sports sedan. There is a good reason they are going up in value, kinda regret selling it.



Here is an apples to apples comparo.
2016 340i
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.6 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 29.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 106 mph
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0i-test-review

2008 IS-F
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.8 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 24.7 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.7 sec @ 114 mph
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...trumented-test

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by DanIAM3

Well I remember a couple publications when they first tested the 2nd generation IS350, they did indeed hit sub 5 seconds 0-60. 4.8 or 4.9, The 3rd generation IS, 2014+ are indeed slower 0-60 because they switched to an 8 speed auto, required a 3rd shift to hit 60 that's why their 0-60 were in the mid 5s.

Also never go on what TFL says, those guys are idiots and they all test cars at 5-6k ft altitude, which absolutely destroys power in naturally aspirated cars like the IS350. You'll noticed all their times are like 2-3 seconds slower than everyone because of that mile high altitude.

Last year for the IS-F was 2014, 0-60 in 4.8 seconds is probably the worst 0-60 time I've seen for that car. I remember reading that article and even the editor said it was not right and it must be because it was a green engine that hadn't been broken in. Most publications had the IS-F 0-60 in the 4.2 - 4.3 second range so that was definitely a fluke.

Calling the Lexus "slow AF" is the same as calling the C63 AMG and E9x M3 all "slow AF" because they all pulled almost identical 0-60, 1/4 and trap speeds. I had a 2012 IS-F and it was one of the best cars I've ever owned. Bullet proof reliability, great all around sports sedan. There is a good reason they are going up in value, kinda regret selling it.



Here is an apples to apples comparo.
2016 340i
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.6 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 29.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 106 mph
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...0i-test-review

2008 IS-F
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.8 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 24.7 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.7 sec @ 114 mph
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...trumented-test

I doubt the second gen car would be nearly a second faster with the same engine. Current gen is quoted at 0-60 in 5.6 per Lexus. The older one was slightly lighter wouldn't make that much difference with a new tranny which should be better. The 340i has an 8 speed so the number of shifts shouldn't matter if it's well designed like the ZF with fast shifts, etc.
http://www.lexus.com/models/IS/speci...350-rwd#engine

[ItsGary]

You gotta factor in a lot.
Number one being emissions restrictions.
Number two all the weight from new safety tech.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by ItsGary

You gotta factor in a lot.
Number one being emissions restrictions.
Number two all the weight from new safety tech.

I'll bet anyone I can blow the doors off any stock is350 no matter the generation no problem. I doubt the second gen car is faster than the ISF with a V8 and the same generation.

[Gr-Racing]

Isf sounds super sexy

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by Gr-Racing

Isf sounds super sexy

Lol if you say so. I prefer the LFA IMHO though it's starting to look dated. Apparently the ISF couldn't compete with the M3 so they stopped making it. Like they stopped making the convertible IS. I like the new Q50 coupe.

[aaaaah]

If someone offered me a choice between a 2008 M3/C63/ISF and I didn't have to pay for it if it broke I'd choose the M3 because it's the only one with a manual.

If I had to maintain it myself I'd be in the ISF faster than you could blink.

If they had made a manual ISF... One can dream.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by aaaaah

If someone offered me a choice between a 2008 M3/C63/ISF and I didn't have to pay for it if it broke I'd choose the M3 because it's the only one with a manual.

If I had to maintain it myself I'd be in the ISF faster than you could blink.

If they had made a manual ISF... One can dream.

BMW the only choice in town if you want a manual.