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      12-20-2009, 03:48 AM   #23
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So it does fit...

Nice find!!

I reckon it is only a matter of time!!
if it fits the 3 series, then of course it fits the loooong nose of the z4.
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      12-20-2009, 04:02 AM   #24
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Oh yeah, 1 mile on the. . . er. . .odometer.

That really caused one hell of a lot of depreciation. And "Vehicle does NOT have an existing warranty." Ferrari's CPO program is really going down the tubes in a hurry.
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      12-20-2009, 05:26 AM   #25
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Stupid price, for the money I'll take the much prettier, much more exclusive and MUCH better driving Ferrari 458 Italia or if I want to save money and buy another flat in Spain i'd buy the V10 R8.

BMW needs to price it's cars a bit better. This is a mass production car, there is no way it is worth the price tag. Fail.

But sure, for a customer racing program it's may be interesting, depends whats in the package, like support at races etc etc. Still, I think porsche would be a better cup race car for those with money, otherwise nothing wrong with Megan R26R as bunch of my friends commuting to the Ring every year say.
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Sounds like they modified the M-DCT7 transmission to a six speed variant. I wonder if shift times have been decreased too.
The M-DCT7 transmission isn't a sequential driveshaft. It is something completely different than the race transmission. Dual clutches are forbidden in The FIA-GT3 class.

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This is a Ferrari Challenge car and not a 430 GT3. The offered BMW Z4 GT3 is -as often stated in this thread- a fully prepped RACE-CAR and not a daily driver. So the price is okay for me.
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      12-20-2009, 07:14 AM   #27
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I wonder if the price includes factory support from BMW at all, kind of like a motorplan aimed at racing?

And I'm pretty sure that for racing cars, the price is probably below par compared to the other GT3 competitors... Who's up for a google so we can get some comparisons here?


EDIT: OK, I tried to get pricing on the 911 GT3 RSR and Audi R8 GT3, but no pricing on the websites. That makes me assume the price is probably on a "P.O.A" basis, meaning if you have to ask, you probably can't afford it.
Will keep looking though.


OK, according to Autoblog, as of 22 January 2009 a 911 GT3 RSR will set you back €380,000.
According to motorauthority though, the Reiter Lambo Gallardo GT3 comes in at somewhat of a bargain €265,000 as of 21 July 2009...
Z4 GT3 comes in at €298,000.

If the Gallardo still goes for that price, I'd probably take that if I was to go GT3 racing. Still, seems the price for the Z4 is more or less within range of what the GT3 racecars go for.

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      12-20-2009, 07:44 AM   #28
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The $420,000 does seem steep when considering the M3 GTS which is also a fully prepped race car from the factory is $150,000.

This explains it a bit: http://bmw-motorsport.com/ms/en/race...ar/z4_gt3.html. There is a GT2 M3, a GT3 Z4, and a GT4 M3, all factory race cars at varying prices.
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      12-20-2009, 07:46 AM   #29
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The $420,000 does seem steep when considering the M3 GTS which is also a fully prepped race car from the factory is $150,000.
Isn't the M3 GTS a roadgoing car though? Kind of like a modern CSL version of the road legal E92 M3? Unless they call the GT4 racer a GTS as well, which I think is kind of silly.
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      12-20-2009, 08:19 AM   #30
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'If' I had a half a milion, and folks, that would be a good start to your budget for the car alone, then I'd choose the car that is fastest. When it comes to this type of performance the brands start to become somewhat less relevant.

Most people on here, seems to me, have ferrari dreams and so they say things like 'if I were to spend $500K I'd get the ferrari' - but what if the new Z4GT3 laps faster? Isn't the point of racing - winning?

I'm personally interested in seeing how this car does against the competition before parting with my money. In the meantime, I can probably...hopefully...afford the scale model. I'll try to find mine with M stripes.
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      12-20-2009, 09:03 AM   #31
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Isn't the M3 GTS a roadgoing car though? Kind of like a modern CSL version of the road legal E92 M3? Unless they call the GT4 racer a GTS as well, which I think is kind of silly.
Correct, I think the GTS is the road going version of the GT4. I don't know if a roll cage is included.
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Correct, I think the GTS is the road going version of the GT4. I don't know if a roll cage is included.
Ah, makes sense, thanks for clarifying.

And well said zbladejr.
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      12-20-2009, 09:20 AM   #33
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You can't compare the z4 gt3 to this car.. the z4 would run circles around it as it in a much higher race class then the very minimaly modified 430 challenge. Nor can you compare this to the lambo like some others have done. This car is not street legal and has parts on it that cost more then some brand new BMW's. Some made the comparision to the M3 GTS and how it is only 150,000 but the GTS is no where near a race car like the z4 gt3 or m3 gt3. The GTS is just a hopped up street car much like the gt3rs.If you look at the prices of the cars that compete in the euro GT3 championship it is directly in line price wise with those car. The GT3R (not RSR) which will most likely be its main competitor is 250,000 euro and cheaper still then the Kessel Racing F430 Scud which is the other main car in the GT3 Championship. You guys really need to know what your talking about before you call this car overpriced. Do you guys know what it takes to prep a car for a championship of this caliber?

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The $420,000 does seem steep when considering the M3 GTS which is also a fully prepped race car from the factory is $150,000.
Have you ever been near a fully preped race car? The M3 GTS is VERY FAR from a fully prepped race car. Take a look at a Koni Challenge race car and see how much more prepped they are the GTS and this is Koni Challenge which is a much lower class then GT3

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Stupid price, for the money I'll take the much prettier, much more exclusive and MUCH better driving Ferrari 458 Italia or if I want to save money and buy another flat in Spain i'd buy the V10 R8.
How can comparing steet cars to a race car be a fair comparison? The Z4 would run circles around either the 458 or the R8 v10. Price out what a R8 GT3 costs for a fair comparison
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      12-20-2009, 10:58 AM   #34
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You can't compare the z4 gt3 to this car.. the z4 would run circles around it as it in a much higher race class then the very minimaly modified 430 challenge. Nor can you compare this to the lambo like some others have done. This car is not street legal and has parts on it that cost more then some brand new BMW's. Some made the comparision to the M3 GTS and how it is only 150,000 but the GTS is no where near a race car like the z4 gt3 or m3 gt3. The GTS is just a hopped up street car much like the gt3rs.If you look at the prices of the cars that compete in the euro GT3 championship it is directly in line price wise with those car. The GT3R (not RSR) which will most likely be its main competitor is 250,000 euro and cheaper still then the Kessel Racing F430 Scud which is the other main car in the GT3 Championship. You guys really need to know what your talking about before you call this car overpriced. Do you guys know what it takes to prep a car for a championship of this caliber?



Have you ever been near a fully preped race car? The M3 GTS is VERY FAR from a fully prepped race car. Take a look at a Koni Challenge race car and see how much more prepped they are the GTS and this is Koni Challenge which is a much lower class then GT3





How can comparing steet cars to a race car be a fair comparison? The Z4 would run circles around either the 458 or the R8 v10. Price out what a R8 GT3 costs for a fair comparison

I still think a 911 cup car could be a much better value considering it's been tried and tested and is a known quantity. This on the other hand is anyone's guess. Great car for a one make series may be but that's about it. Still too expensive. half a million dollars can buy you a very nicely functioning WRC car for example (not new obviously but it would be fast as fak in tarmac spec - ask me how i know ).


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'If' I had a half a milion, and folks, that would be a good start to your budget for the car alone, then I'd choose the car that is fastest. When it comes to this type of performance the brands start to become somewhat less relevant.

Most people on here, seems to me, have ferrari dreams and so they say things like 'if I were to spend $500K I'd get the ferrari' - but what if the new Z4GT3 laps faster? Isn't the point of racing - winning?

I'm personally interested in seeing how this car does against the competition before parting with my money. In the meantime, I can probably...hopefully...afford the scale model. I'll try to find mine with M stripes.

id take a bet that a race prepped ferrari would not be slower. honestly this is more marketing than racing imho. I would guess that the Z4 for starters is a heavy car. go from there...
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      12-20-2009, 11:38 AM   #35
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yes, the price is ridiculous but how many will BMW sell of this factory racer custom? it has to be priced accordingly based on estimated units to be sold - maybe 10-20 total??? then it has to be expensive.
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I guess we'll just have to wait for the 2010 racing season to see who's faster.

I do wonder what they did with the top. I assume the folding mechanism is gone and the top is 1 piece and permanently attached? The M3 roll cage is welded in so do they do the same with the Z4?
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The GT3R (not RSR) which will most likely be its main competitor is 250,000 euro and cheaper still then the Kessel Racing F430 Scud which is the other main car in the GT3 Championship. You guys really need to know what your talking about before you call this car overpriced. Do you guys know what it takes to prep a car for a championship of this caliber?

911 GT3 RS or RSR, whatever the case may be. EDIT: Aaaaand that's the GT2 list... Nevermind, as you were, steady on and all that.

Agreed with richard in NC, best to first see what the Z4 accomplishes in the championship before tagging the car as overpriced. Besides, if the car can ensure consistent victories I'm sure some teams would be willing to pay double...
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According to motorauthority though, the Reiter Lambo Gallardo GT3 comes in at somewhat of a bargain €265,000 as of 21 July 2009...
hasnt lambo been extremely unsuccesful in the race circuits though?

it's been a while since i've looked but i thought that no lambo team has even placed yet.
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I know

It was a joke based on dszpiro comment before mine. And, a used Ferrari being sold by a private party wouldn't be subject to Ferrari's CPO program, regardless.

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it's actually a good idea. maybe Hartge can do it for $100k or so. they did it for the 3 series, and for the old z4 so i'm sure if you really wanted to they could do it for our E89.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...e_h50_v10.html
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I doubt the last NA M car will be a Z4M.. there is no way in hell are they putting the 4.0 V8 S65 engine into the current E89 Z4 Chassis.. it just doesn't make economical sense
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it's actually a good idea. maybe Hartge can do it for $100k or so. they did it for the 3 series, and for the old z4 so i'm sure if you really wanted to they could do it for our E89.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...e_h50_v10.html
There's one inch difference in track width between a m3 (60.5) and e89 Z4 (59.5). Additionally, the e89 chassis is very similar to the e86 so I'm sure it would fit as we know that AC Schnitzer did it with his e86 Z4 based V8 Topster. It doesn't look like a difficult fit for the v8.

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I'm sorry but Ferrari is for douchebags , and a show-off car .

Z4 GT3 is somewhere totally else, and for instance , AC in a GT3 spec car is about 80 000 $ that's almost a 1/5 of a whole car price . so without AC ( everyone is gonna pick AC tho .. ) it's 340 000$ and that's a really cool price for a GT3 Specced car .

And i can asure you , that you're not gonna buy a Z4 GT3 without having few millions on your bank account .
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This doesn't sound right to me... Why would BMW offer this in the Z4 over a 1 series? MAYBE if the V8 cant fit in a 1... but still

A competitive convertible in GT3? I don't get it.
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