Detroit 2015: BMW 3.0 CSL

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by kmarei

From someone that's owned 5 BMWs in the last 7 years
There isn't a single bmw currently in production I'd like to own now
Maybe the m235 but it's too small for me
Shame, I love this brand, but I'm not paying the asking price for a bmw if it does nothing for me
If it doesn't excite me, its not worth a premium

Ugh unfortunately I have to agree. I'm getting close to lease end and honestly wanting to pick up a used E92 M3 because that car still has that feel to me. The F80 M3 is cool but like everyone is saying it's just lost that feel. I don't kmow maybe the M2 turns it around, but nothing coming up like you said interests me either. sigh.

At this point I'd rather pick up a used base 2009-2010 carrera and drive the soul out of it for the next 7 years. Cars are getting so boring...maybe it's just me.

[MalibuBimmer]

What a bunch of whiners.

BMW is making safe, environmentally responsible cars. You guys are all goo goo eyed over the 3.0CSL. In 1972 I bought the street version, the 3.0CS. I went to an early meeting of the L.A. Chapter of the BMW CCA at a restaurant near USC and the guys there wouldn't talk to me because my 3.0CS wasn't a real BMW. Their 1600s and 2002s were real BMWs. You guys are now doing the same thing. Everything is too big except maybe the 235i.

Please. Whine somewhere else.

The M3 and M4 are great new versions of the older M3s. And for those of us who don't want to track our cars but drive our families around, the 5 and 6 series are there. (I must say I can't figure out the 7 series.)

Get an i8. That's the future. And BMW is leading the way.

[671rover]

Originally Posted by Levi

The message of it? "Good BMW's were in the past"?

+1

[OneMmmm]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

What a bunch of whiners.

BMW is making safe, environmentally responsible cars. You guys are all goo goo eyed over the 3.0CSL. In 1972 I bought the street version, the 3.0CS. I went to an early meeting of the L.A. Chapter of the BMW CCA at a restaurant near USC and the guys there wouldn't talk to me because my 3.0CS wasn't a real BMW. Their 1600s and 2002s were real BMWs. You guys are now doing the same thing. Everything is too big except maybe the 235i.

Please. Whine somewhere else.

The M3 and M4 are great new versions of the older M3s. And for those of us who don't want to track our cars but drive our families around, the 5 and 6 series are there. (I must say I can't figure out the 7 series.)

Get an i8. That's the future. And BMW is leading the way.

Nope. You're wrong. This is the appropriate place to vent.

The only drool-worthy vehicle in the current lineup is the i8. And I can still think of at least five cars I'd rather own at that price point -- none of which is a BMW.

They've selected quantity over quality. It's a sad day when Ford makes more of an ///M car than BMW.

[MalibuBimmer]

Fords are complete junk. Have you ever sat inside a Mustang?

[BMWinAZ]

I absolutely love the styling and the continued relevance of a car like the 3.0 cs and would have no objections to owning and driving one today. I also agree that BMW continues to make safe, innovative and stylish cars today (for the most part). But I wholeheartedly agree with the posters who lament the decline in individuality in the present offerings of most luxury car manufacturers. I think it dilutes brand identity and ultimately devalues the marque! The fact that BMW no longer offers a n/a I6 (alongside newer engine concepts), has made and marketed something that looks like a wheeled toaster (i3), and is offering a front-wheel drive "minivan", has me hanging on to my two N52 powered BMWs till the wheels fall off ;(

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

What a bunch of whiners.

BMW is making safe, environmentally responsible cars. You guys are all goo goo eyed over the 3.0CSL. In 1972 I bought the street version, the 3.0CS. I went to an early meeting of the L.A. Chapter of the BMW CCA at a restaurant near USC and the guys there wouldn't talk to me because my 3.0CS wasn't a real BMW. Their 1600s and 2002s were real BMWs. You guys are now doing the same thing. Everything is too big except maybe the 235i.

Please. Whine somewhere else.

The M3 and M4 are great new versions of the older M3s. And for those of us who don't want to track our cars but drive our families around, the 5 and 6 series are there. (I must say I can't figure out the 7 series.)

Get an i8. That's the future. And BMW is leading the way.

"Toyota is making safe, environmentally responsible cars."


No, we should get an NSX. That's the future. And Honda is leading the way.



No disrespect to your purchase, but BMW is not God as you think.

[norMcal]

Originally Posted by kmarei

From someone that's owned 5 BMWs in the last 7 years
There isn't a single bmw currently in production I'd like to own now
Maybe the m235 but it's too small for me
Shame, I love this brand, but I'm not paying the asking price for a bmw if it does nothing for me
If it doesn't excite me, its not worth a premium

I'm glad to hear I am not the only one that feels this way. I usually make comments like this, but the majority of the masses like the new cars BMW builds.

I recently heard that when following the masses, the M is usually silent. No pun indented, but is kind of fitting ;-)

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by F1Venom

BMW has become about as interesting as Kia to me. I'm done with this brand. On to Ford, Mercedes and Porsche for a sports car.

Take care !

[OneMmmm]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

Fords are complete junk. Have you ever sat inside a Mustang?

Every auto journalist and enthusiast in Detroit respectfully disagrees with you.

[brio]

Originally Posted by MRV99

BMW keep breaking sales numbers. They don't give two shits about losing 1 BMW enthusiast if they gain 5 BMW lemmings by making BMW's like every other luxury brand.

[brio]

Originally Posted by OneMmmm

Nope. You're wrong. This is the appropriate place to vent.

The only drool-worthy vehicle in the current lineup is the i8. And I can still think of at least five cars I'd rather own at that price point -- none of which is a BMW.

They've selected quantity over quality. It's a sad day when Ford makes more of an ///M car than BMW.

Can you be more specific as to which ugly ass FORD you're referring to?
And please don't say the Mustang.

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

Fords are complete junk. Have you ever sat inside a Mustang?

Have you looked at the sticker price on a Mustang compared to a BMW. You can load up a mustang for 43k. You can get a base no single option m3 at 63k. Not hard to make an interior better with an additional 20k per car.

[OneMmmm]

Originally Posted by brio

Can you be more specific as to which ugly ass FORD you're referring to?
And please don't say the Mustang.

The Mustang. GT350/GT350R

I love that subjective styling seems to be the only factor you're concerned about.

[brio]

Originally Posted by OneMmmm

The Mustang. GT350/GT350R

I love that subjective styling seems to be the only factor you're concerned about.

Well, it's not the only factor, but its a MAJOR factor.

[meez]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

Whatever happened to developing cars to flex your R&D muscle? To show what you could do? To let your engineers have some fun for once? And the i8 doesn't count here either, that car is so restrained it just has engineer job hate written all over it.

The last time BMW did that, The S52/54 E36/8 MCoupe was born. It barely squeaked by to be approved for production, and lost them money. But THE FUN TO BE HAD in one of them is second to none. If only I fit in them ;(

[CirrusSR22]

Originally Posted by brio

Can you be more specific as to which ugly ass FORD you're referring to?
And please don't say the Mustang.

Mustang. The new GT350 is a significant step beyond the "Motorsport" capabilities of the M4.

[VMRWheels]

Wow, BEAUTIFUL ride

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

What a bunch of whiners.
BMW is making safe, environmentally responsible cars.

Environmentally responsible is something we will have to wait and see. CRFP and Carbon Fiber has very little abilities to be recycled. You can but the recycled product is not really use full again. Metals can be constantly recycled without degrading its use but I am sure we will someday find a way to re-purpose junk Carbon fiber into something common like coffee mugs.

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

The M3 and M4 are great new versions of the older M3s. And for those of us who don't want to track our cars but drive our families around, the 5 and 6 series are there. (I must say I can't figure out the 7 series.)

Get an i8. That's the future. And BMW is leading the way.

This is actually funny.... The F80/82(m3/m4) is the same size as the E39 M5. The F10 is the same size as the E32 7 Series and now the F01 is now the longest BMW on the market.

At what point in time did they need to grow these cars to even larger segments? You Can't understand why the 7 series exists because the 5 series is the old 7 series...

You wonder why the 2 series has displaced the 3 series on MT top 10 cars after 22 straight years of being on top... well the 2 series is what the 3 series used to be but just heavy.

[MalibuBimmer]

It is true that automobiles have grown in size, although nothing beats the excess of American cars circa 1953 to 1968. The current 2 series is the size of the old 1600 and 2002 models. Back then I didn't think they were small. Today, competing with Cadillac Escalades for the road, driven by people who can't drive them, the 2 series seems tiny.

Some of the reason for growth creep is that modern cars have to meet crash standards and now pedestrian crash standards and pack a lot more technology. But I'm sure some of it is to make buyers feel like they are getting something of value for all of their money.

[MRV99]

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

It is true that automobiles have grown in size, although nothing beats the excess of American cars circa 1953 to 1968. The current 2 series is the size of the old 1600 and 2002 models. Back then I didn't think they were small. Today, competing with Cadillac Escalades for the road, driven by people who can't drive them, the 2 series seems tiny.

More like the E36, 1600 and 2002 were 5-6 inches shorter in length. I was looking at a F10 M5 coming from an E60 550 and I could not stand how big it felt so I ditched the 5 series and bought an E90 M3. Yes it is a bit smaller for long family road trips but you lean to not pack everything you own for the trip.

Originally Posted by MalibuBimmer

Some of the reason for growth creep is that modern cars have to meet crash standards and now pedestrian crash standards and pack a lot more technology.

I disagree with this statement. There are many cars which are smaller than BMW's which have the same safety standards as well as the technology. If the 3,5,7 had to grow for safety and technology reasons, why did they come out with a 2 series. This would mean the 2 series is not safe and has very little technology due to its size.

[ShocknAwe]

OK, so that's akin to the "At least I'm not Hitler" argument. Obviously the cars today are smaller than those designed in the 1950's and early 60's. Those were reflective of the enormity of the american economy at that time. Throw that out.

Crash standards are met by absolutely tiny cars. So throw that out as well.

Unfortunately I think the American definition of luxury being that "luxury is just something that is well, BIGGER." has spread to the rest of the western world. I'm not sure when the US became a big player in BMW AG profits, but I'd be willing to bet that it corresponds with the ballooning of vehicle size.