Z4 lease & tires?

Atebit · 12-29-2010, 05:58 AM

So I know that with any lease, at lease end the car must be returned with only "reasonable" wear on the tires. In the case of a Z4 lease though, at disposition must they be run-flat tires?

Land_Shark · 12-29-2010, 08:28 AM

I suggest talking with your dealer... I understand that each dealer has slightly different rules/conditions of return...

Mr. ///M3 RD · 12-29-2010, 08:31 AM

yes they expect them to be, i.e. return the car as you got it and in good repair. Most people when they lease change tires to Non-RFT then store the RFT and remount them just before returning the car.

Silver-Bolt · 12-29-2010, 08:51 AM

According to our lease the tires must be RFT. As Rolf stated we changed to a non-RFT tire and are storing the factory tires until lease return. That we we get to enjoy a high quality nice riding tire and don't have to endure the rath of the RFT's.

Atebit · 12-31-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver-Bolt

According to our lease the tires must be RFT. As Rolf stated we changed to a non-RFT tire and are storing the factory tires until lease return. That we we get to enjoy a high quality nice riding tire and don't have to endure the rath of the RFT's.

Yes, I had thought that might be an option as well, then I wondered if the dealer might be savvy enough to check the date code on the tires & grouse about the rubber being 3 years old at lease return. But if this is an "accepted practice" then I guess it hasn't been an issue...

cdeslandes · 12-31-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Atebit

Yes, I had thought that might be an option as well, then I wondered if the dealer might be savvy enough to check the date code on the tires & grouse about the rubber being 3 years old at lease return. But if this is an "accepted practice" then I guess it hasn't been an issue...

They won't, because they (1) don't care and (2) usually aren't the ones who inspect the car at lease end.

Silver-Bolt · 12-31-2010, 10:21 AM

All they care about at lease return is the tread depth, speed rating, size, and RFT.

Memphis1 · 12-31-2010, 12:05 PM

Hi atebit,

You should get a booklet in the mail and it will tell you exactly what is acceptable. I wouldn't worry about RFT, only tread depth.

Atebit · 01-01-2011, 10:26 AM

I went to the dealer & asked them for a blank copy of the lease agreement to look over. Paragraph 35, "Excessive Wear and Use" states "I agree to pay you the costs of all repairs to the Vehicle that are not the result of normal wear and use...Excessive wear and use includes...tires with tread depth of less than 1/8" remaining...and/or tires that are not of the same grade, quantity or quality as those delivered with the Vehicle."

So while we may debate the "quality" of the OEM RFTs, the dealer could probably make a case that non-RFTs are not of the same "quality" of those delivered with the vehicle.

So if I decide to go ahead with the lease it seems that the initial tire switcharoo would be a good plan. Hopefully I can find a set that I can get ~30K miles out of, though that's probably not going to be easy with low profile/performance tires...

Memphis1 · 01-01-2011, 11:00 AM

Just tell the dealer you're going with another Bimmer when you return the car and they'll just sweep that bullshit under the rug...

warden · 01-01-2011, 11:26 AM

Most dealers won't sweep a new set of tires under the rug.

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Just tell the dealer you're going with another Bimmer when you return the car and they'll just sweep that bullshit under the rug...

Memphis1 · 01-01-2011, 06:01 PM

just because of your negotiation skills suck doesn't mean the dealers wont sweeten a deal...

warden · 01-01-2011, 06:09 PM

They'll comp you the tires if they're making money on your new car deal. Work that side to the bone, they're not waiving tires, too.

My negotiation skills are ace. Your advice is just not that good in this instance and could cost someone a lot of money unless qualified.

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Originally Posted by Memphis1

just because of your negotiation skills suck doesn't mean the dealers wont sweeten a deal...

Memphis1 · 01-01-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by warden

They'll comp you the tires if they're making money on your new car deal proof that your skills suck

Your advice is just not that good in this instance and could cost someone a lot of money unless qualified. if your dropping 70k at least what's another 800 bucks, perhaps you should stick with hondas.

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warden · 01-02-2011, 12:41 AM

You're giving bad advice.

If you want to think my skills suck, you're wrong but I couldn't care less.

People reading this should know that you're being misleading.

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Originally Posted by Memphis1

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Originally Posted by warden

They'll comp you the tires if they're making money on your new car deal proof that your skills suck

Your advice is just not that good in this instance and could cost someone a lot of money unless qualified. if your dropping 70k at least what's another 800 bucks, perhaps you should stick with hondas.

...

mstevens · 01-11-2011, 12:31 PM

My dealer tried to sell me tire and wheel insurance because of the risk of needing to replace the tires at the end of my lease.

My thinking went:

1) they're not going to sell me anything that loses them money. Ever. Thus, the overall risk of needing to spend more than what they charge for the insurance must be relatively low.

2) I've put about 42,000 miles on my e85 Z4 in the 7 years I've owned it, almost exactly half on the summer tires and half on winter. The summer tires are now shot (and I'm starting the second winter on my current snow tires). NH roads and my driving are hell on tires. However, with my mileage pattern and a 3-year lease I doubt there will be any legitimate reason to replace tires at EOL.

3) Cracked or broken wheels are surely a warranty issue. For bent wheels, I live half an hour from MC Wheel (which is a fantastic outfit) and they've straightened wheels on my BMW's and Ducatis numerous times. I can get every wheel straightened every year over the life of the lease for the cost of the insurance.

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Memphis1 Lieutenant Colonel 89 Rep 1,838 Posts Drives: Z4 SDrive 35i Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	Hi atebit, You should get a booklet in the mail and it will tell you exactly what is acceptable. I wouldn't worry about RFT, only tread depth. __________________
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Atebit Private First Class 4 Rep 107 Posts Drives: Yellow 2011 Z4 sdrive30i Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: NC iTrader: (0)	I went to the dealer & asked them for a blank copy of the lease agreement to look over. Paragraph 35, "Excessive Wear and Use" states "I agree to pay you the costs of all repairs to the Vehicle that are not the result of normal wear and use...Excessive wear and use includes...tires with tread depth of less than 1/8" remaining...and/or tires that are not of the same grade, quantity or quality as those delivered with the Vehicle." So while we may debate the "quality" of the OEM RFTs, the dealer could probably make a case that non-RFTs are not of the same "quality" of those delivered with the vehicle. So if I decide to go ahead with the lease it seems that the initial tire switcharoo would be a good plan. Hopefully I can find a set that I can get ~30K miles out of, though that's probably not going to be easy with low profile/performance tires...
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Memphis1 Lieutenant Colonel 89 Rep 1,838 Posts Drives: Z4 SDrive 35i Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CT iTrader: (0)	Just tell the dealer you're going with another Bimmer when you return the car and they'll just sweep that bullshit under the rug... __________________
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mstevens Lieutenant 119 Rep 512 Posts Drives: 2020 Z4 M4Misano Blue Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New Hampshire & Cozumel, Mexico iTrader: (0)	My dealer tried to sell me tire and wheel insurance because of the risk of needing to replace the tires at the end of my lease. My thinking went: 1) they're not going to sell me anything that loses them money. Ever. Thus, the overall risk of needing to spend more than what they charge for the insurance must be relatively low. 2) I've put about 42,000 miles on my e85 Z4 in the 7 years I've owned it, almost exactly half on the summer tires and half on winter. The summer tires are now shot (and I'm starting the second winter on my current snow tires). NH roads and my driving are hell on tires. However, with my mileage pattern and a 3-year lease I doubt there will be any legitimate reason to replace tires at EOL. 3) Cracked or broken wheels are surely a warranty issue. For bent wheels, I live half an hour from MC Wheel (which is a fantastic outfit) and they've straightened wheels on my BMW's and Ducatis numerous times. I can get every wheel straightened every year over the life of the lease for the cost of the insurance.
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