Rear lamp cluster issues anyone?

BMWZ4RIDER · 05-29-2013, 08:07 PM

Great forum for helping the community.
I am going to give mine a careful look when I get home.
My OEM warranty ends 6-30-13. I want in under the BMW clock if I have an issue.

JackieChan · 05-29-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWZ4

Visited the dealer earlier today. Going back in for a replacement (warranty) on Thursday. Didn't even bat an eyelid...looked at it for less than 5 seconds, and said, yep, we'll replace it. The driver's side is fine, shows no sign of delamination.

Again, thanks for posting. I likely would not have noticed it.

Dave

Took my 2009 Z4 35i into Grand River BMW (an hour west of Toronto) this morning. Once I mentioned the issue to my SA, he immediately knew what I was talking about. There is a Service Bulliten on it---PUMA 31209902-05. The dealership went ahead and ordered both the passenger and driver side tail lamp eventhough it was only the driver side that was delaminated.

As per invoice, they ordered the Protection Foil, Snap-Lock Coupling, Adhesive Pad, Tail light left and Tail light right. It is back ordered from Germany and waiting time is around 2 weeks.

Dave, consider yourself lucky to have it replaced by this Thursday. Maybe I should service my car at Downtown BMW.

Without this forum guys, I would not have know about this issue.

Thanks everyone for your valued contribution to this awesome board.

Darbs330 · 05-30-2013, 05:16 AM

Just wanted to add my thanks to the OP for this thread (why I love ZPost)!

I checked my tail lights yesterday & yep... I have the issue as well (in both lights). I doubt I would have noticed it without knowing what to look for. I have checked, periodically, for condensation and could never see any.

Coincidentally, I'm scheduled for my "Battery Cable" recall next week & I'll discuss replacement of the tail lights with the SA then - service bulletin in hand.

Thanks again!

jparnes1 · 05-30-2013, 06:34 AM

Darbs, where did you get the service bulletin? someone mentioned it earlier but didn't provide a link to it?

BMWZ4 · 05-30-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieChan

Took my 2009 Z4 35i into Grand River BMW (an hour west of Toronto) this morning. Once I mentioned the issue to my SA, he immediately knew what I was talking about. There is a Service Bulliten on it---PUMA 31209902-05. The dealership went ahead and ordered both the passenger and driver side tail lamp eventhough it was only the driver side that was delaminated.

As per invoice, they ordered the Protection Foil, Snap-Lock Coupling, Adhesive Pad, Tail light left and Tail light right. It is back ordered from Germany and waiting time is around 2 weeks.

Dave, consider yourself lucky to have it replaced by this Thursday. Maybe I should service my car at Downtown BMW.

Without this forum guys, I would not have know about this issue.

Thanks everyone for your valued contribution to this awesome board.

Actually my car is serviced at Mississauga BMW. Great bunch. NEVER have any issues with them. As for only replacing the right tail light, they did note that IF the left one eventually suffers the same fate, even out of warranty, they'll replace it under warranty "...because I reported the issue while the vehicle was still under warranty..."....NICE!!

Just back about 1/2 now from getting it replaced.
Dave

Moo · 05-30-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by z4z4z4

my car does not have this issue. Thanks for posting.
Probably the aero-heating at 188 mph keeps mine sealed.

You reached 188 mph?! Mods?

z4z4z4 · 05-30-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Moo

You reached 188 mph?! Mods?

No. Need a runway. On closed course with 2200 feet 150mph only. sorry ..we are hijacking thread.

Darbs330 · 06-01-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jparnes1

Darbs, where did you get the service bulletin? someone mentioned it earlier but didn't provide a link to it?

This is the one I found...

http://www.allworldauto.com/tsbs/NHT...in_380477.html

I figured I'd jot down the numbers and take this in... hopefully there won't be any issues.

Hoa · 06-01-2013, 07:04 PM

Ok so I just inspected my tail lights today and yes, one of my tail light has this problem. About 1 inch long. I guess I will bring this issue up among with a few other minor problems when I take it in for service.

bigendbob · 06-02-2013, 04:07 AM

I think often BMW will honour the replacement if they see cracks, But still doesn't deflect from the fact there is a fundamental flaw in the design of the rear allowing water ingress and they would like to blame the crack.

BMWZ4RIDER · 06-11-2013, 08:03 AM

Finally got around to the inspection of my tail lights, looking for the de-bonding issues. Sure enough, the drivers side has the un-mistakable sign of de-bonding. The passenger side is OK. As my manufacturer warranty ends this month, on 6-30-13 and I did purchase the BMW Gold Extenison plan, I am still taking the car in under the OEM warranty to discuss this with the dealer this week. I thought I read somewhere that BMW put out a notice on this but I cannot seem to find it so I can present it to the dealer. Am I wrong?

BMWZ4RIDER · 07-15-2013, 03:35 PM

Update On 6-27-13- 4 days before my OEM warranty expired, I took the Z into my local dealer to have them review the rear taillights for the delamination/de-bonding issues. See my 2 pictures in the above thread. I used this forum and the member pictures as prrol of a larger scale issue known by BMW and then had the service manager photograph and compared my tail lights in refernece to all the photos of the delaminated tail lights on this forum. I just got the call from the dealer, they agreed there is an issue and have ordered under full warranty BOTH Rear tail lights.

Thanx to this forum, my 2009 35i is getting 2 brand newtaillight, under full warranty. FANTASTIC.

ManiacGT · 07-16-2013, 10:18 AM

Nicely done. I've had both mine done now as a gesture by BMW outside warranty.

Vintage · 07-16-2013, 10:41 AM

I also had the de-bonding problem and they were replaced under warranty.

BMWZ4RIDER · 08-15-2013, 01:23 PM

Finally my new tail lights came in for my car and were installed today, under Warranty. It took them 2 hours. They were on order from Germany for 4 weeks, according to the Dealer. As stated above, the Left light showed the signs of debonding BUT the Right looked fine. However as reported, I discussed with my dealer doing both and hey agreed as goodwill to replace both under warranty.

FYI Tail Part numbers are:
Left Tail Light 63-21-7-191-777
Right Tail Light 63-21-7-191-778

Here is the cost/value of a new complete tail light for our cars. Same light and part number is listed for 2009-2013. The parts list did not list compatability with 2014 model years.

2009 - BMW - Z4 SDRIVE35I - N54B30A - L6 - 3.0L - GAS
ELECTRICAL / REAR LAMPS / TAIL LAMPS / Tail lamp assy
63217191777 - Tail lamp assy Left

MSRP Core Online Price
$347.81 $0.00 $260.86
View Part Diagram -- Item #1

05-29-2013, 08:07 PM	#23
BMWZ4RIDER BMWZ4Rider 69 Rep 801 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW Z4 35i Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Cape Cod, MA iTrader: (0)	Great forum for helping the community. I am going to give mine a careful look when I get home. My OEM warranty ends 6-30-13. I want in under the BMW clock if I have an issue. __________________ 2009 BMW Z4 35i/SMG/DCT/Premium,Cold, Sound PK/Com Acc/Ash/PDC/Wind Deflector/Smoked Reflectors/Red Calipers/Cl Mask/M Series Grill/6000K LED's/De-Badged/M Pedals/CF Mirrors-Engine Cover/Stubby/20% Tint/H8 LED's/LCI Side Markers/Sniper Sprint Spoiler/VMR V710/H&R Sport Springs/KN.
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05-30-2013, 05:16 AM	#25
Darbs330 Private First Class 6 Rep 137 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 35i Join Date: May 2010 Location: Charlotte iTrader: (0)	Just wanted to add my thanks to the OP for this thread (why I love ZPost)! I checked my tail lights yesterday & yep... I have the issue as well (in both lights). I doubt I would have noticed it without knowing what to look for. I have checked, periodically, for condensation and could never see any. Coincidentally, I'm scheduled for my "Battery Cable" recall next week & I'll discuss replacement of the tail lights with the SA then - service bulletin in hand. Thanks again! __________________ 2011 Z4 sDrive35i - Space Grey/Walnut/Ash Grain/DCT 2004 330ci Convertible - Oxford Green/Sand/Myrtle Wood
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05-30-2013, 06:34 AM	#26
jparnes1 Colonel 242 Rep 2,387 Posts Drives: 2016 340i, 2012 Z4 35i Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NY iTrader: (1)	Darbs, where did you get the service bulletin? someone mentioned it earlier but didn't provide a link to it? __________________ 2016 340i XDrive, EBII/black, 6 MT, M Sport, Track Handling, Cold Weather, Tech, Lighting, Driver Assistance Plus. 2012 Z4 35i, ED 2/24/2012, Melbourne Red Metallic, Black Leather, Carbon Trim, 6MT, M Sport, CW, PP, PS, NAV, CA.
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06-01-2013, 07:04 PM	#31
Hoa Major 513 Rep 1,356 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: May 2010 Location: GA iTrader: (9)	Ok so I just inspected my tail lights today and yes, one of my tail light has this problem. About 1 inch long. I guess I will bring this issue up among with a few other minor problems when I take it in for service.
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06-02-2013, 04:07 AM	#32
bigendbob Second Lieutenant 50 Rep 297 Posts Drives: z4 23i Orion Silver Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: west midlands iTrader: (0)	I think often BMW will honour the replacement if they see cracks, But still doesn't deflect from the fact there is a fundamental flaw in the design of the rear allowing water ingress and they would like to blame the crack.
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06-11-2013, 08:03 AM	#33
BMWZ4RIDER BMWZ4Rider 69 Rep 801 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW Z4 35i Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Cape Cod, MA iTrader: (0)	Finally got around to the inspection of my tail lights, looking for the de-bonding issues. Sure enough, the drivers side has the un-mistakable sign of de-bonding. The passenger side is OK. As my manufacturer warranty ends this month, on 6-30-13 and I did purchase the BMW Gold Extenison plan, I am still taking the car in under the OEM warranty to discuss this with the dealer this week. I thought I read somewhere that BMW put out a notice on this but I cannot seem to find it so I can present it to the dealer. Am I wrong? Attached Images __________________ 2009 BMW Z4 35i/SMG/DCT/Premium,Cold, Sound PK/Com Acc/Ash/PDC/Wind Deflector/Smoked Reflectors/Red Calipers/Cl Mask/M Series Grill/6000K LED's/De-Badged/M Pedals/CF Mirrors-Engine Cover/Stubby/20% Tint/H8 LED's/LCI Side Markers/Sniper Sprint Spoiler/VMR V710/H&R Sport Springs/KN.
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07-15-2013, 03:35 PM	#34
BMWZ4RIDER BMWZ4Rider 69 Rep 801 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW Z4 35i Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Cape Cod, MA iTrader: (0)	Update On 6-27-13- 4 days before my OEM warranty expired, I took the Z into my local dealer to have them review the rear taillights for the delamination/de-bonding issues. See my 2 pictures in the above thread. I used this forum and the member pictures as prrol of a larger scale issue known by BMW and then had the service manager photograph and compared my tail lights in refernece to all the photos of the delaminated tail lights on this forum. I just got the call from the dealer, they agreed there is an issue and have ordered under full warranty BOTH Rear tail lights. Thanx to this forum, my 2009 35i is getting 2 brand newtaillight, under full warranty. FANTASTIC. __________________ 2009 BMW Z4 35i/SMG/DCT/Premium,Cold, Sound PK/Com Acc/Ash/PDC/Wind Deflector/Smoked Reflectors/Red Calipers/Cl Mask/M Series Grill/6000K LED's/De-Badged/M Pedals/CF Mirrors-Engine Cover/Stubby/20% Tint/H8 LED's/LCI Side Markers/Sniper Sprint Spoiler/VMR V710/H&R Sport Springs/KN.
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07-16-2013, 10:18 AM	#35
ManiacGT Major 85 Rep 1,448 Posts Drives: Z4 sDrive 35i Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Manchester, UK iTrader: (0)	Nicely done. I've had both mine done now as a gesture by BMW outside warranty.
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07-16-2013, 10:41 AM	#36
Vintage Colonel 378 Rep 2,588 Posts Drives: BMW G80 (MT), 718 Spyder Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Austin, Texas iTrader: (0)	I also had the de-bonding problem and they were replaced under warranty.
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08-15-2013, 01:23 PM	#37
BMWZ4RIDER BMWZ4Rider 69 Rep 801 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW Z4 35i Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Cape Cod, MA iTrader: (0)	Finally my new tail lights came in for my car and were installed today, under Warranty. It took them 2 hours. They were on order from Germany for 4 weeks, according to the Dealer. As stated above, the Left light showed the signs of debonding BUT the Right looked fine. However as reported, I discussed with my dealer doing both and hey agreed as goodwill to replace both under warranty. FYI Tail Part numbers are: Left Tail Light 63-21-7-191-777 Right Tail Light 63-21-7-191-778 Here is the cost/value of a new complete tail light for our cars. Same light and part number is listed for 2009-2013. The parts list did not list compatability with 2014 model years. 2009 - BMW - Z4 SDRIVE35I - N54B30A - L6 - 3.0L - GAS ELECTRICAL / REAR LAMPS / TAIL LAMPS / Tail lamp assy 63217191777 - Tail lamp assy Left MSRP Core Online Price $347.81 $0.00 $260.86 View Part Diagram -- Item #1 Attached Images __________________ 2009 BMW Z4 35i/SMG/DCT/Premium,Cold, Sound PK/Com Acc/Ash/PDC/Wind Deflector/Smoked Reflectors/Red Calipers/Cl Mask/M Series Grill/6000K LED's/De-Badged/M Pedals/CF Mirrors-Engine Cover/Stubby/20% Tint/H8 LED's/LCI Side Markers/Sniper Sprint Spoiler/VMR V710/H&R Sport Springs/KN.
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