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      04-07-2012, 09:23 AM   #45
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This is 'M' inflation
Yes I said it before...BMW tax!!
Whatever I don't even care anymore lol it's all so sad...

I'm sticking to my 08 E93 335i and then when it starts getting old ill pick up a 12 E93 335is to keep the spirit alive.

If I ever made enough money than maybe I'd grab an F80 M3, but I really don't like the look of the F30's so we'll see.
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      04-07-2012, 10:49 AM   #46
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BMW, can you please listen to your customers???? We are loyal to you, why can't you (BMW) keep doing what you have done in the past?? do a proper Motorsport line of awesome cars???

Bring a True Z4 ///M car with a V8. Even if you bring it for 1 year like you did with the 1///M. It will sell in NO time.

Please stop putting "///M" on everything!!! Motorsport is lossing it's prestige.

Remember your slogan "M, the most powerful letter in the world"???

http://www.car-forums.com/talk/showthread.php?t=16261

BMW, stick to your roots. I'm sure that you will be the Brand of choice for years to come if you do.
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      04-07-2012, 12:30 PM   #47
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Ever hear of M Technic?
... that's where my nickname came from 10 years ago.
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      04-07-2012, 02:45 PM   #48
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I think that the performances of the car are more important than the naming
Also there are a lot of BMW customers that can t afford an M car so the M Performance is the best option
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      04-07-2012, 02:58 PM   #49
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Now we have the Z4 35iS, which might now be renamed as the M35i.
What's worse is that it'll like be SDriveM35i.
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      04-07-2012, 03:23 PM   #50
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Just a re-badged IS, IS disappears M35 appears...
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      04-07-2012, 05:28 PM   #51
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sounds like a offshoot of the 1M engine and other parts they can find in the M3 parts bin.
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      04-08-2012, 05:19 PM   #52
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sounds like a offshoot of the 1M engine and other parts they can find in the M3 parts bin.
The 1M engine is already an offshoot of the Z4 35iS engine. (direct transplant with a new sticker)
Bringing it back into a Z4 is not possible when it is already in a Z4 production model.


I do wish they had put the ///M Power rocker cover on the 35iS as they did on the 1M.
Open the bonnet and you get "BMW Twin Power" on our engine and the 1M boys get "BMW ///M Power" on theirs.
If they were soooo busy putting ///M badges all over the 35iS, why couldn't they acknowledge the engine was the most ///M bit and put a sticker there for us?

I'd trade the door sills, the speedo and steering wheel badges all for that engine cover. Let's face it, it is the only performance enhancing thing they changed on the 35iS, so it shoudl be the only thing that gets a ///M badge.
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      04-08-2012, 08:13 PM   #53
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. . .it is the only performance enhancing thing they changed on the 35iS, so it shoudl be the only thing that gets a ///M badge.
You're making the same point I've been talking about since Scott26 read the tea leaves back 2010. The are only a few real differences between a normal BMW and an ///M.

The engine is the obvious one which is your point, and there's only so much they'll be willing to do with it based on a power to weight ratio. Only the supercars have 550 - 600 horsepower in a "road" car. The other is the suspension and handling - springs, dampers, torsion bars and steering.

The questions into play: how's BMW going to charge another $20 USD ($90,000 total package) for some programing tweaks and slight different springs, dampers, torsion bar rates. It already has most of the ///M badging anyway (except the important 1 ).
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      04-08-2012, 08:57 PM   #54
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Let's see so you can DIY for $99.00 & 1 PN 11127845442 - makes it as much an sdriveZ4M35is as a 1"M".

Or wait till BMW comes out with it for another $3-4K


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      04-09-2012, 02:59 AM   #55
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      04-10-2012, 01:53 AM   #57
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... that's where my nickname came from 10 years ago.
yep... exactly... it's just that some folks need a little M history lesson...

case in point....

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BMW, can you please listen to your customers???? We are loyal to you, why can't you (BMW) keep doing what you have done in the past?? do a proper Motorsport line of awesome cars???

Bring a True Z4 ///M car with a V8. Even if you bring it for 1 year like you did with the 1///M. It will sell in NO time.

Please stop putting "///M" on everything!!! Motorsport is lossing it's prestige.

Remember your slogan "M, the most powerful letter in the world"???

http://www.car-forums.com/talk/showthread.php?t=16261

BMW, stick to your roots. I'm sure that you will be the Brand of choice for years to come if you do.

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Instead of having an "M Performance" category that takes away from the "M" meaning, it would have been nice if BMW called that in-between category the "S" line. So something like:

335i - baseline
335is - probably not necessary
S3 - Sport performance
M3 - Motorsport (highest) performance

This would cater to those who never wish to ever track their car but want some of the M performance parts and the aero package without the complete M car/engine. Would cost less and meet a new price point...

Kind of along the same lines of how the new M5 has the separate categories for some of the different driving modes:
- Sport (think of this as the "S")
- Sport Plus (consider this the "M")

This is just IMHO how I would have done it if I were BMW President & CEO for a day....

For those of you that don't know... BMW has been " watering down" and over-using " the M name for about 3 decades... starting with models like the E30 convertible M technic

http://www.e30ic.com/M-technic.htm

and of course the M535....

http://www.m535i.org/

the M635....

http://www.classicandperformancecar.....php/?see=3365


So indeed, Panchio.... BMW WILL keep doing what they have done in the past...

And Hawk.... I think you'll find that the usage of M in other models hasn't taken anything away from M cars... if anything it has done exactly what vladbeca indicates... .. both in the past.... and current...


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I think that the performances of the car are more important than the naming
Also there are a lot of BMW customers that can t afford an M car so the M Performance is the best option



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What's worse is that it'll like be SDriveM35i.

now THIS is what people should be complaining about...
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      04-10-2012, 06:56 AM   #59
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M-should be exclusive and have distinctive differences, Audi has S-line...no one really cares about it, like a simple sports package, i hope this won't happen with M
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The 1M engine is already an offshoot of the Z4 35iS engine. (direct transplant with a new sticker)
Bringing it back into a Z4 is not possible when it is already in a Z4 production model.


I do wish they had put the ///M Power rocker cover on the 35iS as they did on the 1M.
Open the bonnet and you get "BMW Twin Power" on our engine and the 1M boys get "BMW ///M Power" on theirs.
If they were soooo busy putting ///M badges all over the 35iS, why couldn't they acknowledge the engine was the most ///M bit and put a sticker there for us?

I'd trade the door sills, the speedo and steering wheel badges all for that engine cover. Let's face it, it is the only performance enhancing thing they changed on the 35iS, so it shoudl be the only thing that gets a ///M badge.
I agree with you that the engine in Z4is deserves the M badge more than anything else in that car, but you also know that it is not THAT identical engine in the 1M, right? M engineers just didn't put the engine untouched in the 1M engine bay and put a sticker on it to fool people. They further worked on it (maybe not too much a change you can say, but they sure did). However, as I said the engine was already worthy of a M badge before that last M tweak, because the is was meant to be an M car at first (left undone) and it was already M prepped N54, no arguement about that.

The problem of Z4is was and still lies out of the engine bay, it is the rest of the car; steering, suspension, brakes, overall capability of the chassis just is not a match to the engine which is terrific.

Also, I agree in principle with people saying that BMW shouldn't need to M everything, they can since its their call but they still shouldn't, any BMW is already a worthy car to "drive" in its segment, so there was no need to copycat Audi in these marketing plays, important thing is how a car performs and nothing else.
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M without performance brakes? Hmmm.....maby this is a breakthru for everyone wanting BBK on their E89?

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I agree with you that the engine in Z4is deserves the M badge more than anything else in that car, but you also know that it is not THAT identical engine in the 1M, right? M engineers just didn't put the engine untouched in the 1M engine bay and put a sticker on it to fool people. They further worked on it (maybe not too much a change you can say, but they sure did).
Please share with us all exactly what they did to the Z4 35iS engine when they added it to the 1M...

It has the same power, torque, (I've dynoed both and they were within 2kW of eachother and the curves were identical) and both have the same overboost function.
The marketing from BMW even said it was the engine from the Z4 35iS.

The sticker change is the only bit we know about, so your facts about what has changed will be of great interest to us all.
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I did some parts # comparison on RealOEM. A 1M "short engine" has a different PN than a 35i/35is short engine (does not include the injector cover with or without "M" & obviously nor the ECU). However searching through most of the important major components (cyl head, valves, block, crank, cams, con rods, intake manifold, oil pump, water pump, fuel inj, & exh/turbos) all are exactly indentical PN for the 1M short block -vs- the 35i/35is.

OK I did find one difference the High pressure fuel rail. I would venture to guess the only difference may be related to either "blueprinting" or optomizing tolerances in the 1M version.

Looks like you don't get much for an sideways "stick on" emblem. IMO they did that so tastelessly I wouldn't even want one.
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Does anyone think BMW will wait to see how well the SLK 55 does in sales to make a profitable decision on making a true Z4 M? It's nice to see some vendors sticking true with the 8 in the bay.
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Does anyone think BMW will wait to see how well the SLK 55 does in sales to make a profitable decision on making a true Z4 M? It's nice to see some vendors sticking true with the 8 in the bay.
even though z4 is slk's competitor, i think slk is more of a feminine car(guy here dont be offended just my opinion), current z4 35is is faster more economical and IMO looks way better then slk amg. Z4 M would be a step above that.

not sure how bmw will look at production since z4 sales have been pretty slow, and the 35is version even slower. its not really a fan based car like m3/m5 and now m1
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I do find it weird that the SLK55 is not that much faster than the 35is. I mean even the SLK350 with it's V6 is just as fast as the 28i N20 I4 twin-power turbo. The SLK250 with Benzes own I4 turbo is almost a second slower to 60 than the 28i.
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