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      06-21-2018, 09:09 PM   #45
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Something I stopped admiring as a car manufacturer: Land Rover. Overpriced and lacks sense of reality of the American consumer, they stopped producing reliable cars in the early 90s.
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      06-21-2018, 09:59 PM   #46
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BMW 4-Series/M4 racked highest in BMW
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      06-21-2018, 10:06 PM   #47
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These surveys are a little biased. Some company do not introduce any new technology in their cars like the Korean or Japanese cars or even american cars like Ford or Chevrolet. They only change the exterior design, but the engine, transmission are an old and proven technology, already optimized to have less problems over the years. Nissan still use engine, transmission and brakes from 10 to 15 years ago, so for sure they will rank better...I'm curious to see what type of problems are reported etc.
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      06-22-2018, 12:49 AM   #48
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While is true that germans dare to throw the technology out there while the others wait until is perfected, still, 11th place is shameful...

And when comparing with who is above, is more shameful...

Really.
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      06-22-2018, 01:52 AM   #49
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Overrated makers of penalty boxes and beige toaster appliances with 4 wheels.
LOL

Best description I have ever heard.

This has just been launched here in South Africa. A FOUR speed auto box! They are really exploring the limits of technology......

https://www.wheels24.co.za/NewModels...arket-20180619
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      06-22-2018, 03:28 AM   #50
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teh koreans aint fucking around anymore
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      06-22-2018, 09:41 AM   #51
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The thing is, issues in the first 90 days are rare...a couple mistakes can sway the results. The more interesting study is the 3 year reliability rankings.
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      06-22-2018, 05:14 PM   #52
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where's Tesla?
It's not there because this is a ranking of car companies.
And that definition is being redefined on the daily.

Trend setters that they are.
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      06-22-2018, 06:25 PM   #53
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Damn. Shocking results. Honda and toyota are pretty low on the chart while the Korean brands are pretty much beating everybody else based on the results. BMW scores higher than I thought they would.

Well, maybe I shouldn’t be too surprised. Anyone I’ve talked to that owns a modern Hyundai, genesis or Kia loves them with little to no complaints.
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      06-22-2018, 06:49 PM   #54
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I think the prime reason the Korean vehicles are high in jd powers is because they appear to offer slot of technology and features with a perceived great warranty at reasonable prices in comparison to other vehicles. I refer to it as showroom appeal to certain demographics. It’s like fca products, which i feel have showroom appeal but no long term desirability (exception: ram trucks). As an engineer in the auto industry I see a lot of quality data and survey data. Survey data can easily be biased by the questions in the survey itself. Try purchasing a Korean vehicles and then sell it in two years and see how you like it after you sold it (if you can unload it).
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      06-24-2018, 08:59 AM   #55
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this only proves that BMW owners complain more. that's not much of a surprise. also, customers of the top four barely know that the pointy and goes first, thus skewing the results.
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where's Tesla?
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11th place seems high looking at my 435i GC. Rattles galore, and the infotainment system is not working as advertised. Worse BM I've ever had.
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I would love to see how the figures change after 90,000 miles of ownership instead of 90 days
Given the price point of the luxury brands they all need to improve dramatically.

Most people buying in that market aren't going to own it at 90k miles anyway.
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      06-24-2018, 05:36 PM   #59
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You can say the same about all the German/euro cars after 10 years (if they last that long haha) 75k+ Miles 😂

Of course there’s always an exceptions but not the rule
2006 E90 owned 12 years since new... 348,000 miles. Runs perfect.

1989 E30: owned 18 years since new... 256,000 miles. My neighbor bought it and took it to 290,000.

1997 Z3 owned 21 years since new... 185,000 miles. Runs perfect.

2008 Z4 3.0si Coupe, bought used in 2014 at 23,000 miles. Now has 85,000 miles. Runs awesome.

All cars driven very hard and maintained by me.

There's 4 exceptions for the BMW 3-series.
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Can’t anbody explain why Tesla is not on this list?
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      06-26-2018, 03:01 PM   #61
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Initial quality. LOL.

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      06-27-2018, 12:10 PM   #62
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JEEP above Acura, i call complete and utter bullshit.
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      06-27-2018, 12:26 PM   #63
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Kinda makes sense...

Genesis / Hyundai / Kia are all essentially the same company.

Hyundai has a big stake in Kia now. They turned the brand around.
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Kinda makes sense...

Genesis / Hyundai / Kia are all essentially the same company.

Hyundai has a big stake in Kia now. They turned the brand around.
It does, but can't explain the huge spread between Toyota and Lexus, Chevy/GMC, and some others.

Also, the 4 series is considered a compact? That's absurd.
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Can’t anbody explain why Tesla is not on this list?
Butt ugly????
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You can say the same about all the German/euro cars after 10 years (if they last that long haha) 75k+ Miles

Of course there’s always an exceptions but not the rule
2006 E90 owned 12 years since new... 348,000 miles. Runs perfect.

1989 E30: owned 18 years since new... 256,000 miles. My neighbor bought it and took it to 290,000.

1997 Z3 owned 21 years since new... 185,000 miles. Runs perfect.

2008 Z4 3.0si Coupe, bought used in 2014 at 23,000 miles. Now has 85,000 miles. Runs awesome.

All cars driven very hard and maintained by me.

There's 4 exceptions for the BMW 3-series.
Any car can last as long as the owner wishes to maintain it.
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