Cayman GT4 or Audi R8 V10 (1st gen) -- give me your opinions

[A418t81]

I would take the GT4 with those two as the choice. GT cars are quite special.

[to_riffic]

As much as a V10 sounds good, I enjoy a 6MT just way too much....

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by ///M Ryder

Explain ............Phil

It's not terribly quick because the gearing is too long. For over $100k there are better choices.
I would bet the new 718s are as fast.

[ridin135]

Originally Posted by 991GT3

It's not terribly quick because the gearing is too long. For over $100k there are better choices.
I would bet the new 718s are as fast.

It wasn't meant to be quick in a straight line, if that's what your looking for porsche ain't your bet unless you go turbo.

As for the op I wouldn't even consider the r-tronic it would be 6spd or nothing for the R8. I own a GT4 and have driven an R8 v10 as I was looking to make the switch. At the end of the day I didn't do it. The motor of the R8 is its crown jewel but everything else is way more disconnected compared to the GT4. It's the intangibles that makes the GT4 what it is. If your looking for straight line speed and the exotic look go for the R8. If you care about a cars feel and how a car makes you feel go for the GT all day long. GT4 will be a much better canyon car as well. If it were R8 vs 911 it would be R8 all day long

[EuroDude]

Originally Posted by mike@Vossen

I've spent quite a bit of time in GT4's.. one on the west coast and our Vossen GT4... I find it to be one of the most soulful and wonderful cars ever. It's just "right". It's also not too cramped and has tons of cargo room for such a small car. The manual is magical.. the sound... yes it's not overpowering but that's part of what's so delightful.. you can really exploit the cars talents and yours.

You can see pics here of the Vossen GT4.


The #itswhitenoise GT4 had more options.. the carbon bucket seats are amazing but if you have wide hips like myself.. it can be tight on road trips...

Why are you selling it?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-Caym...m=222249269686

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by ridin135

It wasn't meant to be quick in a straight line, if that's what your looking for porsche ain't your bet unless you go turbo.

A $100k car should be quick in a straight line.
I owned one and thought it was underwhelming.

[chillindrdude]

Originally Posted by 991GT3

A $100k car should be quick in a straight line.
I owned one and thought it was underwhelming.

I'm surprised on this coming from a Porsche owner.

PCars are perennially not the fastest in their classes (save for maybe the Turbo S) amongst exotic badges in a straight-line.

Their value is in the handling/suspension, motor qualities, driver positioning/seating, and fine fit/finish

[atxgt3]

Originally Posted by chillindrdude

I'm surprised on this coming from a Porsche owner.

PCars are perennially not the fastest in their classes (save for maybe the Turbo S) amongst exotic badges in a straight-line.

Their value is in the handling/suspension, motor qualities, driver positioning/seating, and fine fit/finish

The 991 GT3 is a really quick car. My problem with the GT4 is that the GT3 isn't that much more money, but it's a hell of a lot more car. It's extremely fun to drive and much quicker.

Car and Driver tested the GT4 at 0-60 in 4.1s, and the GT3 in 3.0s. That's an epic difference.

[austexbmw]

I would say that if you intend on tracking your car and doing a lot of "spirited" driving, the GT4 would be the choice, if you are looking to do some track work but yet want something that is going to get noticed, it's hard to beat the R8.

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by chillindrdude

I'm surprised on this coming from a Porsche owner.

PCars are perennially not the fastest in their classes (save for maybe the Turbo S) amongst exotic badges in a straight-line.

Their value is in the handling/suspension, motor qualities, driver positioning/seating, and fine fit/finish

I wasn't expecting GTR acceleration but I'd didn't think it would seem as slow as an E46 M3 either. It is a nice car but not a $100k nice.
That said, my GT3 is the opposite. It is faster than I thought it would be and beyond my expectations in every way.

[spikes111]

Originally Posted by atxgt3

The 991 GT3 is a really quick car. My problem with the GT4 is that the GT3 isn't that much more money, but it's a hell of a lot more car. It's extremely fun to drive and much quicker.

Car and Driver tested the GT4 at 0-60 in 4.1s, and the GT3 in 3.0s. That's an epic difference.

Of course the GT3 is significantly faster. But It's also significantly more expensive m. $30k+ more on average in the used market. That's about 30% higher price in most cases.

[atxgt3]

Originally Posted by spikes111

Of course the GT3 is significantly faster. But It's also significantly more expensive m. $30k+ more on average in the used market. That's about 30% higher price in most cases.

It's more, but it's much more than 30% more car. I just don't see the appeal of the GT4 at current prices when the GT3 exists, unless you absolutely have to have a manual. If you're already paying $115k for a GT4 you may as well pay $145k for a GT3, that's my opinion anyway.

I think the GT4 is an interesting car for $80-90k.

[Nkc]

I've never found the r8 v10 to be a fast straight line car nor a mediocre handling car but I've only driven one in manual.

[chillindrdude]

Originally Posted by atxgt3

It's more, but it's much more than 30% more car. I just don't see the appeal of the GT4 at current prices when the GT3 exists, unless you absolutely have to have a manual. If you're already paying $115k for a GT4 you may as well pay $145k for a GT3, that's my opinion anyway.

I think the GT4 is an interesting car for $80-90k.

you are a fool if you pay $115 for a GT4. used or new.

you can score a low mileage example used on the private market for around $100k. i've seen a few < $100k.

[Bucki14]

Originally Posted by Rafal

Screw the GT4 hype. R8 V10 all day.

+1 gt4 aint better than a gt3 audi r8 v10 all day long (hail the glorious sound!)

[Bucki14]

Originally Posted by ra2fanatic

As much as a V10 sounds good, I enjoy a 6MT just way too much....

ugh this one does look good! But, id still feel terrible not tracking it given the op's situation.

[Bucki14]

Originally Posted by chillindrdude

you are a fool if you pay $115 for a GT4. used or new.

you can score a low mileage example used on the private market for around $100k. i've seen a few < $100k.

Id still take a used 997 gt3 over a gt4 and throw some bolt ons on it

[to_riffic]

Originally Posted by chillindrdude

you are a fool if you pay $115 for a GT4. used or new.

you can score a low mileage example used on the private market for around $100k. i've seen a few < $100k.

Depends on how you option it, it could go to $115k.

Plus, I think your situation would have been different if you had gotten an allocation and not have gotten your GT3 so I think you're saying this in hindsight of the market at this point. I optioned one, and it was about $108k.

Originally Posted by Bucki14

ugh this one does look good! But, id still feel terrible not tracking it given the op's situation.

thanks!

[///M Ryder]

Originally Posted by 991GT3

It's not terribly quick because the gearing is too long. For over $100k there are better choices.
I would bet the new 718s are as fast.

Quick is very subjective.......I would venture to guess that most GT4 owners didn't wait months to get one just to head to the local quarter mile track or race the WRX at the stop light on the way. If your user name holds true I'm sure you understand driving dynamics and the overall balance of a Porsche GT car. With the never ending horsepower wars, fast today is slow tomorrow. But great driving dynamics can't be beat with turbos and superchargers........Phil

[///M Ryder]

Originally Posted by atxgt3

The 991 GT3 is a really quick car. My problem with the GT4 is that the GT3 isn't that much more money, but it's a hell of a lot more car.

Really......are you talking 997 platform? I would say $100k-$105K isn't close to $160k-$170k. For the 991 platform that's a substantial jump. Go shop around......these cars aren't selling for MSRP. If your talking 997 the GT4 has the same engine (though slightly de-tuned), brakes, suspension, and various other parts. The big upside is the glorious manual and the new car warranty.........not to mention the mid-engine layout. But let's get back on topic......OP let us know what you decide because we can't spend your money for you .................Phil

[atxgt3]

Originally Posted by ///M Ryder

Really......are you talking 997 platform? I would say $100k-$105K isn't close to $160k-$170k. For the 991 platform that's a substantial jump. Go shop around......these cars aren't selling for MSRP. If your talking 997 the GT4 has the same engine (though slightly de-tuned), brakes, suspension, and various other parts. The big upside is the glorious manual and the new car warranty.........not to mention the mid-engine layout. But let's get back on topic......OP let us know what you decide because we can't spend your money for you .................Phil

$170k? I bought a 991 (not 997) GT3 for $145k last year that had a sticker of close to $160k. I saw a couple of 991 GT3s in the $130s a couple of months ago. I haven't looked too closely at the market right now but if they're still in that ballpark I don't see why anyone would pick a GT4 over it unless, like I said, they just have to have a manual. And my 991 GT3 had a warranty until the end of 2019, not too shabby.

Alas, I traded it for a Huracan and got on the waiting list for a GT2 because I wanted even more power. But the GT3 is absolutely nuts and by far the most fun car I've ever driven.

[chillindrdude]

Originally Posted by ///M Ryder

Really......are you talking 997 platform? I would say $100k-$105K isn't close to $160k-$170k. For the 991 platform that's a substantial jump. Go shop around......these cars aren't selling for MSRP. If your talking 997 the GT4 has the same engine (though slightly de-tuned), brakes, suspension, and various other parts. The big upside is the glorious manual and the new car warranty.........not to mention the mid-engine layout. But let's get back on topic......OP let us know what you decide because we can't spend your money for you .................Phil

The GT4 does not have the GT1 race derived metzger engine. It has the 3.8 dfi engine from the 991 Carrera S. Slightly detuned is an understatement somewhat. 385hp vs 425...about a 10% difference.