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      09-15-2016, 10:09 PM   #23
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again... who the hell figured this graph would be a good way to present the data...
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      09-15-2016, 11:20 PM   #24
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Unless these were driven by the same person, these times are completely meaningless. Personally, I don't believe for a second that a Z4M would be slower than a E46 M3.
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      09-16-2016, 12:45 AM   #25
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As a color blind individual, I'm highly offended.
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      09-16-2016, 02:46 AM   #26
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Through the years, BMW has provided a total of 11 M cars to Car and Driver for its annual Lightning Lap competition at Virginia International Raceway.

Notwithstanding size and weight increases throughout the years, lap times have dropped on newer models. Driving feel and enjoyment is of course harder to quantify and chart, however.


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This graph clearly shows that the M version of X5 is the worst thing ever to come out of M. To this day I don't understand the reason they made this car.

Who has ever said "I think today we should all go on a track with kids on the back seat and some food and drinks in the trunk so that we can have a picnic after our track session"
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      09-16-2016, 07:52 AM   #27
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Folks need to take this data with a grain of salt. VIR has been re-paved through the years, and the drivers who are clocking the laps are journalists, not professional drivers.
Not only was VIR repaved at the end of the 2013 season, but they added significant width to many corners, especially on track out, making the course faster for any car driven on it. Hence new pavement (i.e. nice sharp asperities now on the racing line that tires love to grip) plus wider track created a completely different before/after track.

Now VIR was just repaved again a few weeks ago since the first job wasn't up to par, so while the track wasn't widened any further it's still got those nice fresh asperities everywhere.

Ditto on the comment about the drivers. In car video will show the skill, or lack thereof, of the drivers and hence the inconsistencies and widened error rate of test data.
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      09-16-2016, 12:48 PM   #28
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My first thought after looking at the graph:
"Hmm.. what a strange ADVANCED graph... I must be terribly inexperienced with graphs"

Then reads the comment.
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      09-16-2016, 01:59 PM   #29
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Very cool data visualization
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I read this after a few drinks and thought shit, I must be drunk! So read it again today sober and still can't figure it out. Anyone with time on their hands and a science degree care to explain or put in a table?
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Unless these were driven by the same person, these times are completely meaningless. Personally, I don't believe for a second that a Z4M would be slower than a E46 M3.
Where is the E46 M3?
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Wow M4 GTS is almost 7 seconds a lap faster than the next car... The m4, which is like a second faster a lap than the m2. Color me impressed, that GTS is quick.
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      09-16-2016, 05:05 PM   #33
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what a retarded ass graph
sometimes adding more data doesn't enhance the same conclusion.
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Just take this stupid graph and post down. Worthless
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Guys the graph is incredibly easy to read.

Here's some help...

Dots with a black center are weights, no black center is lap time.

Both Y axis are from low high going top to bottom. Since no one cares what the numbers are and just how each model compares, ignore both sides and just know closer to the bottom is better.
Ignore both white lines.
X axis is basically the year from old on the left to new on the right.

Now that I've confused you even further...have fun.
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      09-17-2016, 02:41 PM   #36
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Guys the graph is incredibly easy to read.

Here's some help...

Dots with a black center are weights, no black center is lap time.

Both Y axis are from low high going top to bottom. Since no one cares what the numbers are and just how each model compares, ignore both sides and just know closer to the bottom is better.
Ignore both white lines.
X axis is basically the year from old on the left to new on the right.

Now that I've confused you even further...have fun.
+1 agreed, its really not that hard to understand
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      09-17-2016, 05:12 PM   #37
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Unless these were driven by the same person, these times are completely meaningless. Personally, I don't believe for a second that a Z4M would be slower than a E46 M3.
Where is the E46 M3?
The 2006 M3... At the left side of the graph
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      09-18-2016, 04:01 AM   #38
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Is it just me (or my monitor) or does the 2006 M6 and the 2015 M4 have the exact same color?
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      09-18-2016, 01:25 PM   #39
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Is it just me (or my monitor) or does the 2006 M6 and the 2015 M4 have the exact same color?
I ended up looking up the curb weight of the 2006 m6 after my first glance
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